Mitu Gulati & Mark Weidemaier
Clauses & Controversies
Clauses and Controversies: A Podcast about International Finance, Contract Clauses and the Controversies Surrounding These Clauses
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Mitu Gulati & Mark Weidemaier
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Oct 12, 2026
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Ep 107 - Ukraine's Victory in the UK Supreme Court (ft. Nate Oman) 17.04.2023 53:05
Ukraine's Victory in the UK Supreme Court More than three years after hearing argument, the U.K. Supreme Court finally handed down a decision in Russia's $3 billion bond dispute with Ukraine. The dispute probably shouldn't be in a domestic court at all (functionally, it is a dispute over a bilateral loan between sovereign states). But that's where it is, and the U.K. Supreme Court ruled in favor o...
Ep 106 - Sri Lanka’s Litigation Risk: Yet Another Problem With the Slow Pace of Restructurings 10.04.2023 45:18
Sri Lanka’s Litigation Risk: Yet Another Problem With the Slow Pace of Restructurings A while back, Sri Lanka was sued by an investor, Hamilton Bank. Early on, the lawsuit just seemed strange. Hamilton Bank’s initial claim for violation of the pari passu clause was a clear loser. Sri Lanka then raised a bizarre defense—that only the bond’s registered holder could sue. The lawsuit now involves an o...
Ep 105 - Pakistan's Debt Distress (ft. Reza Baqir) 03.04.2023 55:14
Pakistan's Debt Distress Pakistan's debt distress has focused scrutiny on its debt structure, which includes lots of bilateral and official borrowing, much of it from China. The question of how to restructure Chinese lending, in relation to loan by other creditors, will be at the top of the restructuring agenda. Our guest, Reza Baqir, has both been on both sides of the table in debt workouts. He w...
Ep 104 - Do Native American Tribes Pay Too Much to Borrow? (ft. Townsend Hyatt) 27.03.2023 44:12
Do Native American Tribes Pay Too Much to Borrow? Recent research suggests that Native American tribes pay significantly more to borrow than their municipal counterparts. We try to unpack some of the structural reasons why this might be so with the leading legal expert on the topic, Townsend Hyatt. Townsend, a partner at Orrick, indulges our very basic questions about the pricing penalty that the...
Ep 103 - Why is the Zambian Restructuring Dragging on So? (ft. Melissa Butler) 20.03.2023 45:11
Why is the Zambian Restructuring Dragging on So? There are finally signs of progress in Sri Lanka’s restructuring, with the various bilaterals providing “financing assurances” (whatever they are). But Zambia’s restructuring has been mired in quicksand for far longer. Sovereign debt guru Melissa Butler, of White & Case, who is an expert in Sub-Saharan Africa, joins us to talk about the situation in...
Ep 102 - The Long Shadow of Default (ft. David Gill) 13.03.2023 40:14
The Long Shadow of Default The sovereign debt literature has somehow managed to overlook one of the biggest, most enduring debt defaults on record, involving one of the world’s richest democracies. We’re talking about the United Kingdom’s failure to pay its First World War debts owed to the United States. We talk with David Gill (University of Nottingham) about his wonderful new book, The Long Sha...
Ep 101 - ESG investing (ft. Natasha White) 06.03.2023 42:28
ESG investing What combines existential dread (climate change) with bewildering What counts as ESG investing? At times, it seems like almost anything could fall under that label. And does ESG investing really have the potential to drive the transition to carbon-neutrality? As sovereign debt specialists, we know only a little bit about the ESG world, and much of what we know comes from reading the...
Ep 100 - Debt Ceiling Drama (ft. Wailin Wong) 27.02.2023 40:42
Debt Ceiling Drama The drama around the U.S. debt ceiling should be low hanging fruit for a podcast about sovereign debt. But we have been unsure of the legal and economic implications. Do markets care about the debt ceiling? Is there any real risk of non-payment? Aren’t there are dozen obvious ways to borrow despite the ceiling? We ask these and other questions to expert business and economics re...
Ep 99 - Fault Lines in Sovereign Debt Restructuring (ft. Jorgelina do Rosario & Karin Strohecker) 20.02.2023 40:12
Domestic Debt, Financing Assurances, and other Fault Lines in Sovereign Debt Restructuring Ghana’s attempts to restructure its domestic debt have been a bit of a mess, repeatedly failing to win enough creditor support before (as of this recording) finally appearing to have succeeded. But some holders of domestic bonds appear to be getting better treatment. Reuters reporters Karin Strohecker and Jo...
Ep 98 - Ghana's Restructuring: Why the Mess? (ft. Chelsey Dulaney) 13.02.2023 37:01
Ghana's Restructuring: Why the Mess? Sovereign debt restructurings seem to be stuck in quicksand. The various players (IMF, China, commercial creditors, Paris Club, arbitration award holders, etc) each point to the others as the reason for the lack of progress. And the much ballyhooed Common Framework seems to have made little impact. Chelsey Dulaney of the Wall Street Journal joins us to talk abo...
Ep 97 - Do Bondholders Care About Bankruptcy Access? (ft. Rich Schragger) 06.02.2023 55:35
Do Bondholders Care About Bankruptcy Access? Theory tells us that bondholders care whether sovereign debtors have access to a bankruptcy process. Fear that bondholders would react to such access negatively is what tanked the IMF’s Sovereign Debt Restructuring Mechanism proposal a decade ago. But do bondholders really care about bankruptcy access, or do other things matter more? Our guest, Rich Sch...
Ep 96 - Fear of Fund” and the Bridgetown Initiative (ft. Avinash Persaud) 30.01.2023 35:12
Fear of Fund” and the Bridgetown Initiative Sovereign debt has been very much in the news in early 2023 thanks to a combination of factors that have exacerbated debt crises in various parts of the world. Massive COVID expenditures, increasingly extreme climate events, the emergence of China as a major lender to weaker sovereigns and the rise in global interest rates are among them. Unsurprisingly,...
Ep 95 - Bondholders Rights as a Function of Nationality Rather than Contract (ft. Livia Hinz) 23.01.2023 42:09
Bondholders Rights as a Function of Nationality Rather than Contract Recent debt restructurings have raised the question whether some investors in sovereign debt might have additional rights (or obligations) as a result of bilateral investment treaties between their home states and the debtor state. It seems strange to think that investors from, say, Ruritania might have different rights than inve...
Ep 94 - The Bond King (ft. Mary Childs) 16.01.2023 47:28
The Bond King The name PIMCO is ubiquitous in the world of bond finance. But aside from its enormous size, why is PIMCO so important? Our guest this episode is Mary Childs, co-host of NPR's Planet Money podcast. Her book, The Bond King, tells the story of PIMCO's origins and of how Bill Gross transformed the bond markets, built PIMCO into a behemoth, and then lost power. She joins us to talk about...
Ep 93 - Lessons from the U.S. Municipal Bond Cases? (ft. Vincent Buccola) 09.01.2023 47:48
Lessons from the U.S. Municipal Bond Cases? In a sovereign debt crisis, a government will sometimes argue that the country does not have to pay some of its debt, because it borrowed the money in violation of its own law, typically while a different government was in power. And in fact, domestic law typically does constrain the borrowing of countries and sub-sovereigns: debt ceilings, legislative a...
Ep 92 - Ghana’s 2030 FUD Bond 12.12.2022 39:05
Ghana’s 2030 FUD Bond We learned a new term a few days ago: FUD. Apparently common in the crypto world, it refers to when panic about something spreads “fear, uncertainty and doubt.” An investor friend used the term to describe aspects of the Ghana 2030 bond. We had previously thought this bond was safe, since it benefits from a World Bank guarantee. But reading the contract terms more closely, th...
Ep 91 - A Truly Gnarly Year (ft. Sydney Maki) 28.11.2022 42:46
A Truly Gnarly Year Times are pretty bad for emerging markets, what with a surging dollar, interest rate increases, etc. But somehow, despite having a president with, ahem, eccentric economic views, Turkey's recent $1.5 billion bond issuance was reportedly way oversubscribed. So things are a bit weird. We've long admired and learned from the work of this week's guest, Sydney Maki of Bloomberg. Syd...
Ep 90 - Please Sir, May I Read the Contract? 21.11.2022 42:14
Please Sir, May I Read the Contract? Sovereign bonds are sold after distribution of a sales document -- a prospectus or offering circular -- that describes key risk factors and that summarizes or reprints the terms and conditions of the bonds. The sales document isn't the contract, or at least not the whole thing, because it typically makes clear investors will be bound by terms found elsewhere, s...
Ep 89 - Pakistan’s Bizarro 2024 Bond 14.11.2022 39:55
Pakistan’s Bizarro 2024 Bond Pakistan is in crisis and its bonds are in the toilet. One of its bond series though, the 2024, is not like the others. It has one of the highest CAC vote thresholds we’ve seen anywhere in the modern era. But that’s not it; best we can tell, the process by which votes are counted appears to be some weird historical holdover. How? Why? What? In this episode, we try to s...
Ep 88 - Contracting for Home Field Advantage (ft. John Coyle) 07.11.2022 40:19
Contracting for Home Field Advantage Virtually all international sovereign bonds include provisions designed to make it easier for investors to sue the sovereign after default. Choice of forum clauses, waivers of sovereign immunity, provisions addressing service of process, etc. Russia is a prominent exception where these clauses are absent, and this is one of many factors making it hard for inves...
Ep 87 - Ukraine’s Dodgy Designations 31.10.2022 35:52
Ukraine’s Dodgy Designations In its recent debt reprofiling, Ukraine asserted that it had the unilateral right to “re-designate.” The context here is the operation of the aggregated collective action clause (CAC), which allows the debtor to conduct an aggregated vote across multiple series of bonds to see if a restructuring proposal gains the support of the entire group. Ukraine claimed that it ha...
Ep 86 - Why Did the Dog Not Bark? (or Why Did the Creditors Consent So Readily?) 24.10.2022 41:31
Why Did the Dog Not Bark? (or Why Did the Creditors Consent So Readily?) Ukraine’s gave creditors in its 2016 restructuring GDP warrants that were bizarrely uncapped. Now, with expectations of post-war GDP shooting up, thanks to likely reconstruction support from the US and the EU, these warrants are potentially gold mines. Yet, just a couple of weeks ago, Ukraine was able to not only defer payme...
Ep 85 - Making (Non?)Sense of the Russian CDS Auction (ft. Chris Spink) 17.10.2022 42:32
Making (Non?)Sense of the Russian CDS Auction CDS auctions intimidate us because there is so much that we don’t understand about how they are supposed to work. But there are others who, thankfully, understand a lot more not only about CDS auctions but also how they work in contexts such as those of Russian sovereign bonds. One of those gurus is Chris Spink of the International Financing Review (an...
Ep 84 - Diaspora Bonds (ft. Steven Tepper) 10.10.2022 47:05
Diaspora Bonds Remittances are an important source of capital for many countries. Though remittances often flow directly to family and close relations, many countries would like to tap this pool of capital directly. Diaspora bonds offer a potential solution, allowing countries to issue bonds to nationals living abroad or to others who, for philosophical reasons, want to lend. Recently, the issue h...
Ep 83 - It’s a Mad, Mad World (ft. Nikou Asgari) 03.10.2022 37:31
It’s a Mad, Mad World Pakistan’s debt repayment prospects were dicey even before the catastrophic floods. Now, a debt restructuring seems almost inevitable (to us, anyway). Nikou Asgari is one of the Financial Times’ brilliant capital markets reporters, who covers European debt and has also covered Pakistan’s debt crisis. We had originally intended to talk mostly about Pakistan. As it happened, we...
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