Jeff Kaplow and Marcus Holmes
Cheap Talk
Cheap Talk is an every-week-or-so international relations podcast with Jeff Kaplow and Marcus Holmes, professors of government at William & Mary.
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May 8, 2026
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Episodes
Giving ChatGPT Our Nuclear Codes 18.11.2023 1:18:26
Panda diplomacy revisited; the State Department’s dissent channel; whether dissent cables matter; Xi and Biden meet without a a joint statement; resuming military-to-military communication; managing competition between China and the United States; the missing agreement on AI; and Marcus contemplates his Thanksgiving menu Please subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts , Spotify , or your pod...
Pandamonium 11.11.2023 52:53
Panda diplomacy; conservation versus paranoia; the correlates of the panda presence abroad; China’s intentions with regard to large bears; the effectiveness of the panda signal; the causal mechanisms behind panda diplomacy; soft (and cuddly) power; distinguishing public diplomacy from propaganda; cute animals as grand strategy; and Marcus is not a zoologist Please subscribe and leave a review on A...
Maybe This Is Something We Should Look Into 03.11.2023 47:27
Who is Hamas; US ideas about who governs Gaza; Israel signaling to adversaries; the US signaling to allies; Saudi Arabia may still be seeking normalization with Israel; China’s presence at an AI meeting; and Marcus wants to turn the tables Please subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts , Spotify , or your podcast player of choice Contribute to a future episode by sending us an email or leav...
The Most Successful Scholar in Our Immediate Family 26.10.2023 57:10
Vicarious trauma from the Israel-Hamas conflict; traffic maps and other consumer data with international security implications; reasons to delay an invasion of Gaza; the risk of a wider war in the Middle East; linking military action and political goals; the challenges of fighting in an urban environment; and Marcus would like you to follow him on Strava Please subscribe and leave a review on Appl...
Three- or Four-Day-Old News 20.10.2023 57:49
What’s going on in Israel and Gaza; President Biden’s visit to Israel; analogies to 9/11 and other past events; the benefits of a biased mediator; securing humanitarian aid for Gaza; the competing Putin/Xi summit; the value of export controls on technology; and Marcus shuts the barn door after the cows or the horses have gotten out Please subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts , Spotify ,...
It Was on None of Our Radars 13.10.2023 56:47
The war in Israel; it is ok to turn off the newsfeed; intelligence and security failures; why Hamas conducted this attack at this time; normalization with Israel; the role of Iran; US deterrence and military aid; Israel’s impending ground war; the tragedy of civilians caught in conflict; broader implications for international security; deterring terrorism; and Marcus is not doing well Please subsc...
Overwrought and Probably Just Wrong 06.10.2023 55:37
Birthday wishes; US political dysfunction and international politics; the second image reversed; the Trump candidacy and foreign policy; space diplomacy; anti-satellite weapons; cross-domain deterrence; the McDonalds peace theory; and Marcus has read a Tom Friedman book Please subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts , Spotify , or your podcast player of choice Contribute to a future episode...
Little Time Capsules 02.10.2023 52:02
The dysfunction of the UN Security Council; how various IR traditions look at international institutions; why measuring the UN’s effectiveness is difficult; structural problems with the UN; where UN decisions are actually made; the UN is more than the Security Council; the value of diplomacy; potential UN reform; international security forum shopping; and Marcus struggles to summarize a Sherlock H...
We're Going To Get That 1.5 Percent 22.09.2023 58:11
Analyzing a possible US defense alliance with Saudi Arabia; sports diplomacy and sportswashing; Zelensky’s speech at the UN General Assembly; and Marcus is confused Subscribe and leave a review in Apple Podcasts , Spotify , or your podcast player of choice Email your questions and comments or leave a voicemail for a future podcast episode Further reading: Edward Wong and Mark Mazzetti. 2023. “Bide...
Summit of the Isolated 14.09.2023 48:32
Kim Jong-Un’s takes the slow train to Russia; a refresher on the value of high-level summitry; Russia’s need for military supplies and what this says about the effectiveness of sanctions; the signal sent by Ukraine’s counteroffensive; setting expectations for military operations; and Marcus is impressed by the train Subscribe and leave a review in Apple Podcasts , Spotify , or your podcast player...
Our Puny Human Brains 08.09.2023 51:39
Cheap Talk’s Season 4 Premiere: The trilateral alliance visits Camp David; US reassurance and nuclear proliferation in Asia; AI and international crises; computers can be biased, three not-very-persuasive arguments against US support for Ukraine; and Marcus racks up the frequent flier miles Subscribe in Apple Podcasts , Spotify , or your podcast player of choice (and please leave a review!) Ask a...
The Guts to Stand Up for the Truth 08.06.2023 1:09:17
A special summer episode of Cheap Talk: Hypersonic missiles and missile defense in Ukraine; signaling and the defense of Bakhmut; Ukraine’s path to NATO membership; alien spacecraft on earth; Apple’s Vision Pro announcement; diplomacy in virtual reality; military applications of augmented reality; and Marcus sympathizes with alien whistleblowers Subscribe and leave a review in Apple Podcasts , Spo...
Persist In Our Dream State 28.04.2023 1:01:38
Social identity theory and international relations; the behavior of rogue states; US nuclear assurance to South Korea; the risk from deepfakes and how to address them; the current state of sports diplomacy; and Marcus is a complicated individual Subscribe in Apple Podcasts , Spotify , or your podcast player of choice Ask a question or leave a comment for a future podcast episode Further Reading: P...
Tossing This Information to the Internet 24.04.2023
The Discord intelligence leak; what we learned from the information; Egypt’s plan to sell weapons to Russia; China’s plan to sell weapons to Russia; US restraint and China’s involvement in the Ukraine conflict; how the leaker’s motives compare to other famous leaks; how the internet makes intelligence releases more damaging; assessing the intelligence impact of the leaks; the trade-off between int...
It's a Slam Dunk! Do It! 12.04.2023
Looking back on the Iraq war after 20 years (and 1 month); lingering uncertainty about the reasons for the US invasion; the role (or lack thereof) of groupthink in that decision; the intelligence community’s judgment that Iraq had WMD and was reconstituting its nuclear weapons program; why the intelligence community got it wrong; lessons learned for intelligence analysis; the long-term repercussio...
Another Unenforceable International Edict 01.04.2023
Nikki Haley’s experience at the United Nations; what it means to be a US ambassador; Russia’s statement about nuclear weapons in Belarus; the ICC’s arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin; credibility in international institutions; the power of international law on the margins; and Marcus considers future podcast guests Send us comments or questions at cheaptalkpod@gmail.com or leave us a voicemail . Fu...
A Person With Feelings 24.03.2023
The TikTok situation escalates; Russia pulls a reverse TikTok; the first image of the state; what is a state, anyway; AI tools are lying to us; Xi goes to Moscow; Russia harasses a US drone; and Marcus believes states are disembodied people with feelings and emotions Send us feedback at cheaptalkpod@gmail.com or leave us a voice message Further reading/watching: Sara Morrison. 2023. “Is TikTok too...
It Comes Down To Paranoia 09.03.2023
Russia’s international status and reputation after the invasion of Ukraine; TikTok and Huawei as threats to US national security; the status of Iran’s nuclear weapons development; and Marcus has too many distractions in his life Send us feedback or ideas for future podcasts at cheaptalkpod@gmail.com or leave us a voice message Further reading/watching Jonathan Renshon. 2017. Fighting for Status. P...
Stumbled Into This Podcast Accidentally 03.03.2023
Russia bails on the New START arms control treaty; Putin and prospect theory; the short and long term effects of the treaty suspension; why we have arms control treaties in the first place; overlapping international agreements; taking stock of Russia’s invasion one year in; European security transformed; the relevance of nuclear risk and nuclear deterrence today; and Marcus embraces conspiracy the...
Could the Meeting Have Been an Email? 24.02.2023
We’re on Apple Podcasts and Spotify; an excellent book is on sale; the Last of Us is not a zombie show; China threatens a balloon response; we are seeing more flying objects; risk reduction and diplomacy between the United States and China; President Biden visits Kyiv; and Marcus explains the role of aliens in political science theory What should we talk about in future episodes? Let us know at ht...
Fly Over Our Great Nation 12.02.2023
Cheap Talk’s very special balloon-themed episode: China’s spy balloon; the effect on diplomacy when spying becomes public; the intelligence value of spy balloons; why the US failed to deploy its giant balloon net; the risk of balloon-related escalation; the trajectory of the US-China relationship; and Marcus explains his criteria for riding in flying objects Recommended Valentine's Day gifts for l...
That’s Got To Leave a Mark 05.02.2023
Cheap Talk’s triumphant return from its winter hiatus: Evaluating the lasting impact of the COVID pandemic (if any) on international affairs; preparedness for the next pandemic; COVID and domestic politics; the supply chain and decoupling from China; domestic protests in China; the nonissue of vaccine diplomacy; and Marcus misattributes an often misinterpreted quote Leave feedback or ask a questio...
For Their Knowledge No Cost They Do Spare 09.12.2022
Cheap Talk ends the semester with a mailbag episode: State dinners; celebrities and national interest; AI and international relations; sports diplomacy and the World Cup; President Biden’s willingness to meet with Vladimir Putin; and Marcus admits he doesn’t like soccer Thanks to all those who contributed questions. Leave a message for a future podcast at https://www.speakpipe.com/cheaptalk Lookin...
You Gotta Spatchcock It 20.11.2022
Garage door updates; the information and cyber war in Ukraine; academics in the press; the ethical implications of AI art; and Marcus discusses his turkey options Ask a question or leave a comment for a future podcast episode at https://www.speakpipe.com/cheaptalk Further Reading On Thanksgiving menus: “2022: Kenji on T-Day.” 2022. Special Sauce Podcast. https://www.thespecialsaucepodcast.com/podc...
A Giant Duffel Bag of Cash 11.11.2022
Cheap Talk returns from a COVID-induced hiatus: online prediction markets; already-obsolete election takes; US support for Ukraine with a new Congress; domestic politics and international affairs; remembering Former Defense Secretary Ash Carter; Russia’s retreat from Kherson; South Korea recovers a North Korean missile; and Marcus was anticipating a red wave Subscribe to Cheap Talk in the podcast...
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