Joshua Citarella, Interdependence, New Models
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an aggregated feed of Joshua Citarella, Interdependence (Holly Herndon & Mat Dryhurst), New Models (Caroline Busta, Daniel Keller, Lil Internet)
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Jul 5, 2026
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NM Talkcore | Kevin Munger on Spiraling (2025) 15.10.2025 1:09:36
Are we entering a neo-oral age? For centuries, linear, text-based media has organized human communication, creating a shared reality, a shared sense of linear time. But as political Scientist Kevin Munger discusses on this ep of NM Talkcore, that ontological structure is rapidly coming undone. For more: kevinmunger.com kevinmunger.substack.com Watch: Kevin Munger on Vilém Flusser’s “Co...
Doomscroll 32.5: Emily Jashinsky 07.10.2025 48:03
We discuss the darker elements of the New Right and a variety of niche thinkers and ideologies. We explore the woke black lash, tariffs and the brewing conflict between crypto and nationalism. Later, we speculate about 21st century exit politics and the “internet driver’s license”.
Doomscroll 32: Emily Jashinsky 07.10.2025 1:03:48
My guest is Emily Jashinsky, a political commentator and a co-host of Breaking Point s. We discuss the shifting factions of the America right; Fusionism, Populism, Monarchy, Trad, MAHA, Catholicism, Crypto-anarchy and more. Many viewers will be familiar with the infamous “Bernie to Trump” pipeline but less will be aware of the Trotskyite origins of certain canonized thinkers on the New Right.
Doomscroll 31.5: Kyle Kulinski 30.09.2025 39:42
We discuss Kyle’s early origins on YouTube, the New Atheism movement and his formative encounters with the work of Noam Chomsky and Richard Dawkins (this is real). Later, we explore the peculiar landscape of YouTube and how platforms shape political factions today.
Doomscroll 31: Kyle Kulinski 30.09.2025 54:44
My guest is Kyle Kulinski, a YouTuber and political commentator. He is the host of the Kyle Kulinkski show. We discuss the success of the online right and ask what the left might learn from right-wing shitposters. We explore the breakdown of liberal norms and the shattering of the Overton window. American politics has become increasingly radical in the last eight years. We ask; what new formation...
NM Talkcore | Gideon Jacobs on Media, Politics, and Ketaphysics (2025) 24.09.2025 1:05:22
Writer Gideon Jacobs comes on the show to discuss ontological literacy among other things in the wake of the assassination of American Christian Nationalist Charlie Kirk, which in our assessment was not actually a political assassination. Names Cited: Alexander Dugan, Amanda Askell, Alain Badiou, Jean Baudrillard, Becoming Press, Byung-Chul Han, CERN, Charlie Kirk, Donald Trump, Elon Musk, E...
NM Dispatch | America Diaries - August 2025 (Lil Internet) 17.09.2025 29:24
Every summer, we return to the land of our youth, the Mid-Atlantic USA and, as has become tradition, relay our impressions of it to you. With this episode, Lil Internet visits a high school friend’s professional haunted house and experiences everywhere beyond it, the real life cinema of America’s permanent frontier. In the US, quality of life means quality of imagined life — past, present, a...
Doomscroll 30.5: Krystal Ball 07.09.2025 25:54
We explore the looming threat of AI, transhumanism and solve “the Elon Musk situation”. We ask; what is the left-wing version of tariffs? And why should the left support economic protectionism?
Doomscroll 30: Krystal Ball 07.09.2025 1:01:35
My guest is Krystal Ball, a political commentator and a co-host of Breaking Points. We discuss the seismic shift of American politics and our hard breaks to the right and left. We explore Zohran Mamdani's historic win in NYC and the ways in which the internet become real life. How do online audiences correlate to real world political coalitions? This episode marks the first year of the show.&nbs...
NM Presents: Illegal Generation Vol. 2 by Lil Internet (2025) 02.09.2025 1:05:17
A follow up to his 2024 mixtape, Illegal Generation Vol. 1 , Lil Internet brings you Vol. 2 — a new hour of fresh “gencore,” which aired today on Mark Leckey’s monthly NTS radio show. “Compared to Volume 1,” Lil Internet writes, “Volume 2 feels closer to a truly functional example of what AI generated music might offer outside of joke songs and the emulation of styles that already exist—it’s...
Doomscroll 29.5: Ana Kasparian 28.08.2025 30:39
My guest is Ana Kasparian. We dive into Ana’s background and formative experiences on TYT. We discuss the horseshoe theory meme and I float a strategic argument: “the neoliberal case for single payer healthcare” lol.
Doomscroll 29: Ana Kasparian 28.08.2025 1:05:33
My guest is Ana Kasparian, a host and executive producer of The Young Turks. We discuss her political journey from progressive to "independent and unaligned". Last year, Kasparian’s commentary took an editorial turn away from left echo-chambers and towards a generalized populism. We pay respect to the political genius and lasting influence of Michael Brooks.
NM 90 | Exocapitalism - the Book w/ Marek Poliks & Roberto Alonso Trillo (2025) 25.08.2025 1:25:12
Theorists Marek Poliks & Roberto Alonso Trillo (co-hosts of the Dis.integrator pod) come on New Models to talk us through their highly anticipated new book, Exocapitalism: Economies with Absolutely No Limits , which is out this month from Becoming Press. Through their radical rethinking of capitalism — its indifference to human scale, its endless appetite for complexity, its rapacious transfor...
Doomscroll 28.5: Yancey Strickler 23.08.2025 48:21
My guest is Yancey Strickler. We discuss the theory and practice of content moderation on big platforms. Today, the “terms of service” also necessarily set the parameters of debate and have profound downstream effects on political reality. Later on, we discuss Yancy’s background as a music critic, his early online record label and his unconventional path to becoming a co-founder of Kickstarter. We...
Doomscroll 28: Yancey Strickler 23.08.2025 47:45
My guest is Yancey Strickler, an author and former music critic. He is a co-founder of Metalabel as well as a co-founder and previously the CEO of Kickstarter. We discuss the new shape of online culture. Dark Forest spaces are gated digital communities, often curated around a specific niche or field of expertise. They represents a retreat from open social media into private spaces, where users may...
NM Reads | excerpts from “What Is Contemporary Art For Today? (Ben Davis, Caroline Busta, Gavin Brown, Jason Farago, Joshua Citarella, Lloyd Wise, Tobias Spichtig) + editors Eleonore Hugendubel, Dean Kissick, Matt Moravec (2025) 13.08.2025 1:03:50
From January 2023 to January 2024, the Perić Collection funded a series of informal, highly attended talks about the state of Contemporary Art. Hosted by Dean Kissick and coordinated & commissioned by Eleonore Hugendubel and Matt Moravec , the event, known as the Seaport Talks, took place monthly in Downtown Manhattan. As a kind of coda to this series, Matt, Eleonore, and Dean created a correl...
Doomscroll 27.5: Tim Heidecker 10.08.2025 23:42
My guest is Tim Heidecker. We discuss his background in music and DIY creative scenes as well as our shared admiration for artist and documentary filmmaker Adam Curtis.
Doomscroll 27: Tim Heidecker 10.08.2025 1:11:36
My guest is Tim Heidecker, a comedian, musician and actor. He is a host of Office Hours. You can find him performing live music as 'Tim Heidecker and The Very Good Band'. His video work pioneered the style, affect, and genre of new media alt-comedy. We discuss how online irony became today's real world politics. We explore the shift from legacy TV to streaming platforms. How did our media ecosyst...
Doomscroll 26.5: Aella 31.07.2025 23:40
My guest is Aella. We discuss the psychological and social origins of sexual fetishes, the dark side of internet pornography, and we bring clarity to the online debates around race and IQ. Due to TOS, some of these topics can’t be included on the YouTube episode. Other topics are better kept off of public channels.
Doomscroll 25.5: Francis Fukuyama 28.07.2025 22:16
My guest is Francis Fukuyama. We discuss the research background of Doomscroll and competition between the United States vs China in the 21st century.
Doomscroll 26: Aella 28.07.2025 1:17:01
My guest is Aella, a writer, blogger and sex worker. She writes the highly popular blog Knowingless. She is a member of the online community LessWrong. We discuss the emergence of AI, the sex industry (online and offline), robot gfs and libertarian transhumanism. Aella describes her evangelical religious upbringing and how she learned to navigate the secular world. We explore the overlap of niche...
Doomscroll 25: Francis Fukuyama 25.07.2025 55:28
My guest is Francis Fukuyama, a scholar and political scientist. He is the author of many books. He is most well known for his 1992 work, "The End of History & the Last Man". Drawing on Hegel and Marx, Fukuyama explores the concept of teleology — the idea that history is a linear process where human societies progress through sequential socioeconomic forms. As Marx famously wrote, Feudalism wa...
Doomscroll 24.5: Hasan Piker 25.07.2025 32:39
We recap Hasan’s upbringing in Turkey and his early origins at The Young Turks network. Later, he talks me off the ledge as I complain about how much it sucks to be on camera lol. We discuss media strategy, online debate and class consciousness. We both admit to mirin’ Yung Chomsky’s peak physique. (This is not gay.) Finally, Hasan drops some revealing streamer drama that I did not yet know — yike...
NM Greenroom | Frost Children (2025) 17.07.2025 58:59
In advance of their new album SISTER —out Sept 12 via True Panther and Dirty Hit— EDM emo pop punk crunkcore electroclash dubstep screamo trance DJs, producers, and siblings Angel and Lulu AKA the Frost Children join NM to talk about making music in a memetically driven age. For more: frostchildren.xyz & @thefrostchildren Names cited: Above & Beyond, Adam Curtis, Addison Rae, Afrojack, All...
NM89 | Douglas Rushkoff, from Meta to Soma 06.07.2025 1:08:45
Our guest is American media theorist Douglas Rushkoff . He is the author of such seminal books on digital culture and networked communication as Cyberia (1994), Media Virus (1995), and Coercion (1999); and numerous further titles including, Program or Be Programmed (2010/2025) and Survival of the Richest: Escape Fantasies of the Tech Billionaires (2022). He is also the host of Team Human and a pro...
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