CELab

CELab: The Customer Education Lab

CELab is the Customer Education Lab for Innovative Customer Success, Enablement, and Marketing Teams. Our mission is to explore how to build Customer Education programs, experiment with new approaches, and exterminate the myths and bad advice that stop growth dead in its tracks.

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CELab

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Technology

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customer.education

Latest episode

Jun 19, 2026

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Episodes

Episode 59 - Steve Cornwell Discusses the Evolution of Customer Education and Learning Ops 16.04.2021

Photo by Eugene Zhyvchik on Unsplash Steve Cornwell is CEO and Founder of Northpass , the LMS that powers learning experiences for some of the top SaaS, sharing-economy, and subscription-economy companies. He joins us for the return of our CEO series, where we get CEO-level perspectives on the Customer Education market. In our discussion, Steve talks about the Evolution of Customer Education, poin...

Episode 58 - Orchestrated Onboarding with Donna Weber 30.03.2021

Photo by Larisa Birta on Unsplash Does Onboarding Matter?  That’s what Donna Weber, veteran Customer Education professional and President of Springboard Solutions firmly asserts in her new book, Onboarding Matters ! She says: “Onboarding is the most important part of the customer journey, yet many B2B companies fail to act proactively at the start of the relationship.” In her book, she outlines th...

Episode 57 - Brian Childs Shares a Training Maturity Model to Grow and Scale Customer Education Teams 19.03.2021

Photo by Drew Beamer on Unsplash Brian Childs , a customer education leader with experience at Moz , TapClicks, and more, has developed a Maturity Model that emerging Customer Education teams can use. In this interview, he describes how you can use the Training Maturity Model to scale your customer education team faster. Brian Childs has been building customer and adult education programs for over...

Episode 56 - Michael Harnum from @ESGsuccess Tells Us Why Customer Education and Customer Success are Really the Same Business and Walks Us Through a Maturity Model for Both 05.03.2021

Photo by Lance Grandahl – Two become one. (or one becomes two?) On this episode of CELab we continue both our CEO Series and Customer Success Series as Michael Harnum , CEO of ESG Success, walks us through his journey to Customer Success as a Service. Typically, Education Services used to be standalone activities where customers would consume training credits, but that approach often left customer...

Episode 55 - Product-Focused Afterthought - Exploring Customer Education’s Role in Customer Success with Lincoln Murphy 19.02.2021

Photo by the blowup on Unsplash Product-focused afterthought! – that’s what most Customer Success clients get wrong about Customer Education according Lincoln Murphy of Sixteen Ventures .  But what does this mean, exactly?  In recent episodes, SaaS executives and investors perceive Customer Education as a growing and integral part of scaling their organizations.  This begins our “Customer Success...

Episode 54 - Eugene Lee Takes the Investor View on Customer Education 04.02.2021

Photo by Markus Winkler on Unsplash What are venture capitalists thinking about the potential for Customer Education and Customer Success? As the industry becomes more profitable, we’ve seen more investment activity in the space. Eugene Lee from OMERS Ventures joins us to talk about his view on investing in this market, and what he wants to see from Customer Education and Customer Success companie...

Episode 53 - Exploring Consolidated Learning Strategies with Ted Blosser 22.01.2021

Photo by Hans-Peter Gauster on Unsplash One theme that’s on the minds of many Customer Education professionals is learning how to “bridge the divide” between our teams and other education-focused teams. In Episode 19 (Sharing with Others) we kicked off this discussion. Growing organizations in the Software-as-a-Service (SaaS) marketplace follow standard patterns, and begin to introduce Learning an...

Episode 52 - What Can David Bowie Teach Us About Customer Education 08.01.2021

Photo by Gabriel Bassino on Unsplash In 2019 we did our first “pause and reflect” style episode over the holidays, which was one of our top five episodes of all time . With this episode we, once again, let loose and do a “fun” episode to close out the year and start off the new one. And after this year, we definitely need to let loose a bit! To bridge the end of 2020 and the beginning of 2021, we’...

Episode 51 - COGNITION 2020 - 6 Principles to Building a Customer Education Program 10.12.2020

On October 6th, we presented – live – at Thought Industries’ COGNITION 2020 . This was a great event with many leaders from our Customer Education category. In this recording we unveil our Customer Education Manifesto . This is composed of six guiding principles that we believe can help Customer Success organizations strategically accelerate account and user growth.  Most Customer Success organiza...

Episode 50 - CELab Anniversary Special 25.11.2020

Photo by Guillaume de Germain on Unsplash In this episode, we’re celebrating some milestones from CELab! First, we are celebrating two amazing years of working out loud. We kicked off our very first episode, “ Getting Started with Customer Education ” on November 11th, 2018. Like many of you who have found yourselves here – in this field and listening to this podcast – we dove in head first and in...

Episode 49 - Customer Education Conferences Recap 2020 12.11.2020

Photo by Chris Montgomery on Unsplash This is the time of year where we see conferences like DevLearn (which we spoke at last year), The Guild’s Learning Conference, and this year, for the first time ever, we had a three-week run of Customer Education conferences! Now, these were all online conferences since we’re in the midst of Covid-related travel and gathering restrictions, but in a way this m...

Episode 48 - CELab Live Mailbag 29.10.2020

In October we attended Skilljar Connect 2020 and hosted a Live Mailbag episode at the event!  Attendees submitted really amazing questions.  We couldn’t tackle them all – so stay tuned for yet another Mailbag episode soon! In this episode we’ll answer some questions that may be on your mind too including: Photo by Sharon McCutcheon on Unsplash What advice do you have for those that are working wit...

Episode 47 - Carla Torgerson Explains Microlearning for Customer Education Professionals 13.10.2020

Let’s put Microlearning in focus for Customer Education (Photo by Markus Spiske on Unsplash ) In this “mini” episode, we focus on microlearning and share some things we learned from one of the industry experts on the subject. At DevLearn 2019, we had the great opportunity to talk with Carla Torgerson , the Director of Instructional Design at Bull City Learning immediately following her “ Create Ef...

Episode 46 - Instructional Design 101 - Bloom's Taxonomy 24.09.2020

Welcome back to Instructional Design 101, where we’ll ask whether Customer Educators need to care about Bloom’s Taxonomy . What’s that, you ask? Bloom’s Taxonomy , created in 1956 by educational psychologist Benjamin Bloom , is used by many K-12 educators and instructional designers to categorize learning objectives by what the learner is expected to know or do. The taxonomy has been revised since...

Episode 45 - Maria Manning-Chapman - Free and Fee - What Customer Education Professionals Need to Know about Education Services 09.09.2020

In this episode of the CELab Podcast, we’re joined by Maria Manning-Chapman , the VP, Education Services Research at TSIA where we expand upon the TSIA’s “State of Education Services 2020” report – which we covered in Episode 38 of this podcast.    Photo by Arlington Research on Unsplash Here, we’re diving deeper into monetization strategies which our listeners and the network that we’re in as Cus...

Episode 44 - Chip Ramsey - Start with Science 25.08.2020

In this episode we talk with Chip Ramsey – Founder and CEO of Intellum and one of the early pioneers in our field with the first ever platform for Customer Education.  We talk about the transition to creating a great platform and how Chip says to “start with science” to make amazing material that helps both your customers and your business. Many Customer Education Professionals may know Intellum a...

Episode 43 - Mailbag - Part 2 - Where Does Customer Education Belong? 05.08.2020

Part 2 of our Customer Education Mailbag episode continues the conversation with our listeners.  How do Content Developers become more self-sufficient with their LMS? How many people can we expect to join a new program? Where does Customer Education Belong? Listen in to find out! This podcast and website are not about our opinions and perspectives.  We focus on our community of Customer Education...

Episode 42 - Customer Education Mailbag - Part 1 24.07.2020

Early listeners will remember that we used to do a segment on the show called “Customer Education Mailbag” where we would answer a quick question at the end of the episode, usually unrelated to the main topic.  We’re finally brushing the dust off all those envelopes and open some of the letters that have been coming in. We actually asked our listeners to record their questions, so listen into this...

Episode 41 – Intellum and Forrester show how to Increase Revenue and Improve Customer Retention Through Customer Education Programs 07.07.2020

Our next “State of the Industry” report review comes from Forrester and Intellum with their 2019 paper: “Increase Revenue and Improve Customer Retention Through Customer Education Programs”. This report differs from previous ones in that it focuses on how Customer Education programs can contribute to revenue and customer retention. Customer Education is growing, driving a measurable impact in bott...

Episode 40 - Skilljar - 2020 Customer Education Benchmarks and Trends Report 30.06.2020

In this episode we look at Skilljar’s 2020 Customer Education Benchmarks and Trends report. This report is one of the most comprehensive to-date featuring insights from over 250 customer and partner education teams.  Come listen to our response to this report’s insights related to COVID-19 impacts, budgets, target audiences, training formats and engagement, completion rates, monetization strategie...

Episode 39 - Thought Industries - 2020 State of Customer Training Report 23.06.2020

In this episode we react as we discover that “only 14% of respondents believed that their customers were adequately trained.” Join us as we break down a report from Thought Industries and Claire Schooley (formerly of Forrester Research) that gives us an eye into what training professionals really think about the State of Customer Training in 2020.

Episode 38 - The State of Education Services 2020 - Part 1 16.06.2020

In this episode we kick off a new series that focuses on “The State of Customer Education” in 2020.  We take a deep dive into Maria Manning-Chapman’s report for the Technology Services Industry Association, or TSIA.

Episode 37 - Delightful Learning and Gamification with Daniel Quick 18.05.2020

In this episode we feature a fireside chat with Daniel Quick, Head of Customer Education at Asana.  How can you really leverage what we’ve learned about game design and apply it to Education and Learning?  Tune in to learn more!

Episode 36 - Jonathan Anderson and the Power of UI in Product Adoption 27.04.2020

In this episode of our CEO Series, Adam speaks with Jonathan Anderson, Co-Founder and CEO of Candu on the Power of the User Interface in your Product Adoption journey.

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