Careers and the Business of Law

Bestselling author and "non-obvious" thinker Rohit Bhargava sits down with David Cowen for a high-energy, idea-packed conversation on creativity, persuasion, and building influence in unexpected ways. Drawing from his global bestseller and branding roots at Ogilvy and Leo Burnett, Rohit shares how to spot hidden patterns, spark change inside organizations, and bring others along the journey. If yo...

Frank Nuzzi , Senior IP Counsel at Siemens, joins David Cowen to unpack the mindset shift every legal professional needs right now. From sandboxing with Microsoft Copilot to pushing the boundaries of AI in legal workflows, this episode dives into how curiosity and experimentation, not perfection are shaping the next generation of legal work. If you're waiting for AI to be flawless before jumping i...

Catherine Jopling , General Counsel at MPW Industrial Services, doesn't lead from behind a desk, she builds trust in the field, layer by layer. In this episode, she shares how she leads legal with empathy, curiosity, and proactive strategy in a decentralized, blue-collar business. Instead of waiting for crises, Catherine gets ahead of them, visiting sites, meeting people where they are, and buildi...

Live from the DHL Legal Innovation Summit, David Cowen sits down with Omar Haroun , co-founder of Eudia, to break down the shift from artificial intelligence to augmented intelligence. Together they unpack what's actually happening in legal innovation: smarter workflows, real cost transformation, and human-machine collaboration at scale. This conversation goes deep from M&A disruption with DHL to...

What happens when you take legal operations, move it into finance, scale it globally, and build a team of 85 legal professionals inside a Fortune 500? You get Brian Edge 's world and it's nothing short of groundbreaking. Live from the DHL Legal Innovation Summit, David Cowen sits down with Brian , SVP of Legal Franchise & Integrity Shared Services at MasterCard, for a high-energy, human-centered c...

In this raw and energizing conversation of Careers and The Business of Law from the DHL Legal Innovation Summit,  David Cowen sits down with Matthew Smith , Executive Vice President of Business Developmentat Array, to talk about building trust, managing high-performing teams, making the leap into legal from healthcare, and navigating the "middle of the middle" of a career. From the fear of hearing...

Live from the DHL Legal Innovation Summit in Columbus, David Cowen sits down with Christina Wojcik , Head of Innovation & Partnerships at Pearson Ferdinand, for a high-energy conversation on the future of legal services. Christina breaks down what it means to build a truly tech-first law firm, no associates, no legacy systems, just streamlined, partner-led innovation. From back-office automation t...

In this episode of Careers and the Business of Law: The Legal Data Intelligence Series, David Cowen sits down with Richard Pachella , Strategic Alliance Advisor at Epiq, to unpack the seismic shifts happening across legal tech, operations, and talent. If you're in eDiscovery, legal operations, or just trying to navigate your career in the age of AI, this episode is for you. 🔥 What you'll hear: Wh...

20 Years. 5 Pivots. 1 Big Bet on GenAI. 🎧 Featuring: Danny Thankachan | Head of Partnerships, CaseGuild This isn't your average industry chat. This is a high-voltage, real-talk conversation between two longtime insiders, David Cowen and Danny Thankachan on what really matters now in legal innovation, GenAI, and career growth. 📌 Highlights: The evolution of eDiscovery from 2004 to today Why Legal...

Let's get something straight: the job of General Counsel has left the building. Today's GCs aren't just legal advisors, they're business architects, transformation leaders, and culture drivers. And if your legal team is still playing defense, you're losing ground. In this episode, Lisa Mather and Tim Fraser , two of the most forward-leaning legal execs in the game, pull back the curtain on how the...

In this no-BS roundtable, David Cowen sits down with Kevin Cohn - Chief Customer Officer at Brightflag; Tyler Finn , Head of Community & Growth at SpotDraft ; and  Matthew Wheatley, VP, Client Strategy at Priori to unpack the real state of legal operations, talent, and transformation. Forget the panel buzzwords. This episode pulls back the curtain on what's actually happening inside high-performin...

Headed to CLOC? So are  E.J. Bastien and David Cowen and this episode is your field guide. Before you start speed-walking the ARIA hallways and hunting for coffee and co-pilots, listen in. E.J. Bastien has spent two decades at Microsoft reimagining what in-house eDiscovery and litigation support can be. He's leading teams, building AI agents, and solving tomorrow's problems with tools that most le...

Guest: Kevin Cohn , Chief Customer Officer, Brightflag Host: David Cowen , President, The Cowen Group 🎙   This episode of Careers in the Business of Law (CBL) is a masterclass in motion. Pre-live from the frontlines of CLOC, Kevin Cohn—Chief Customer Officer at Brightflag—joins David Cowen for a candid, strategic breakdown of how legal ops careers are being redefined in real time. It's not just th...

What happens when a GC thinks like a CEO, rolls up his sleeves like a contractor, and leads like a startup founder? You get Mark Smolik , Chief Legal Officer of DHL Supply Chain , and a masterclass in legal leadership you can't afford to miss. This episode is a front-row seat to how Mark turned blue-collar grit, data discipline, and a sharp eye for ROI into a legal department that runs like a high...

We're not in Kansas anymore. We're in the Jetsons Era. Legal Data Intelligence isn't just tech, it's talent, timing, and the ability to see around corners. In this episode, I sat down with Stacy Lettie , Chief of Staff to the General Counsel at Organon , and we went from Disney to data to dogs with AI collars. Yes, really. We talked: Why the future of legal starts with foundations (Small World → T...

This one hits different. David Cowen sits down with legal operations leader Carl Morrison (Otsuka Pharmaceuticals) for a sharp, high-energy conversation on how legal teams are turning data into strategy, and why now is the moment to clean house, ditch the ROT (redundant, obsolete, trivial), and drive real value. Yes, we open with Lady Gaga , because transformation has a rhythm. But what follows is...

"Life is a carnival—and legal ops is leading the parade." What happens when strategy, storytelling, and AI collide in the hands of a legal operations leader? You get this high-energy, insight-rich episode with Elizabeth Lugones , VP of Professional Services at Mitratech , a legal tech pro who's been writing and speaking about workforce automation since before it was cool. What You'll Hear: Why cha...

What happens when three top legal innovators challenge everything we know about leadership, AI, and the future of law firms? In this high-energy episode of Careers in the Business of Law, David Cowen sits down with three powerhouse legal minds who are redefining innovation, knowledge management, and practice transformation at major law firms. But here's the twist—we're not telling you who's who ri...

Legal data isn't just for eDiscovery anymore—it's a strategic weapon. AI-driven analytics are transforming legal teams into business intelligence powerhouses, helping HR, compliance, and cybersecurity teams solve problems faster than ever before. In this episode, Benjamin Sexton (JND) shares: How AI is shifting legal work—are we saving time or just creating more high-value tasks?  Why legal teams...

The legal industry is facing its "Netflix vs. Blockbuster" moment. AI, automation, and alternative legal service providers (ALSPs) are rapidly reshaping how legal services are delivered, and the biggest question is: Who will adapt—and who will be left behind? Roger Pilc leads a $600M+ division at Epiq , bringing experience from McKinsey, Booz Allen, CA Technologies, and Pitney Bowes. With insights...

🎙 Host: David Cowen , President of The Cowen Group 👤 Guest: Karen Eber – TED Speaker, Leadership Consultant, Author of The Perfect Story 💡Why This Episode Matters? Your data is airtight. Your argument is solid. So why isn't leadership buying in? Here's the reality: Data doesn't change behavior. Emotion does. Today, I'm sitting down with Karen Eber , master storyteller and leadership strategist,...

Ever wonder how to build a career worthy of a Lifetime Achievement Award? My latest guest, Jay Leib , has done exactly that—and he's here to share how. From his early days in software sales at RTI, to leadership roles at EY, Relativity, NextLP, and now Reveal, Jay has built his career through radical curiosity, relentless networking, and entrepreneurial grit. We cover Jay's jungle gym-like career...

Legal teams aren't just tracking data—they're driving business decisions with it. Today, I sit down with  Dave Bernstein , Executive Director, Analytics at Wells Fargo , to unpack the rise of Legal Data Intelligence (LDI) and why it's changing everything. Dave shares his unconventional path from 18 years in shipping to legal analytics, how he built a data-driven legal department alongside leaders...

Legal work isn't just about managing data—it's about unlocking intelligence. AI, eDiscovery, and Legal Data Intelligence (LDI) are transforming how firms analyze, predict, and strategize . Are you keeping up? In this episode, Robert Keeling   (Partner, Redgrave LLP) joins David Cowen  to unpack how AI, legal data intelligence, and next-gen eDiscovery are transforming the legal industry. 🔹 From Pa...

📢 The legal industry is at a tipping point. Are you ready? In this episode, David Cowen sits down with Ted Theodoropoulos , Founder & CEO of InfoDash , to unpack the biggest shifts redefining law firms, legal tech, and knowledge management. From AI-powered legal services to the VC-style approach to tech investment, this conversation is packed with insights that will help you future-proof your car...