Meade Holland Shirley & Christy Osborne

"But Jesus Drank Wine" & Other Stories That Kept Us Stuck

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This podcast represents a completed season. The conversations shared here were part of a specific time and calling, and they are being left available as an archive for those who wish to listen or revisit. No new episodes will be released under this feed. Join Meade and Christy, two retired-over-drinkers turned freedom-from-alcohol coaches, as they explore all of the stories that kept them stuck in the nightly over-drinking cycle, including but certainly not limited to "But Jesus drank wine?" If you're looking for two Christian women who get real about how wine held them back and explore tricky...

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Meade Holland Shirley & Christy Osborne

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Religion

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www.butjesusdrankwine.com

Latest episode

Dec 8, 2025

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Episodes

Ep. 34 Alcohol-Free Hormonal Harmony: Regulating Blood Sugar and Navigating Perimenopause with Special Guest Dr Brooke Scheller 24.07.2023

Dr. Brooke Scheller, DCN, CNS, is a Doctor of Clinical Nutrition, author, and the founder of Functional Sobriety. In this episode, she joins us to discuss the importance of regulating blood sugar in early sobriety, the impact of alcohol on hormone production and the connection between perimenopause symptoms and alcohol consumption.  Dr. Brooke's approach combines her expertise in nutrition and fun...

Ep. 33 Numbing the pain in infertility with booze and the party girl persona with special guest: Maureen Benkovich 17.07.2023

With the brutal stats that 1 in 5 women in the U.S. struggle with infertility, there's a good chance that you or someone you know, knows the struggle of wanting to be happy for your friends' pregnancy news while simultaneously feeling the immense pain of recurrent pregnancy loss and infertility. Today's guest is all too familiar with this heart-break and generously shares her story so that just on...

Ep. 32 What are 10 things we no longer have to spend money on, now that we're alcohol-free? 10.07.2023

Join us today as we explore the financial benefits of alcohol-free living! Today we share our personal experiences and revelations about the incredible savings of embracing a life without alcohol. Discover areas where we found newfound financial freedom, from bidding farewell to expenses like booze and taxi rides to surprising changes like saying goodbye to extra afternoon coffees and expensive un...

Ep. 31 Exposed: The Dirty Side of "Clean" Wine with Veronica Valli 03.07.2023

Join us for a captivating episode featuring Veronica Valli, a true force in the world of sobriety and psychotherapy. With an impressive track record of 23 years of sobriety and 18 years of experience as a psychotherapist, Veronica is fiercely dedicated to unraveling the deceptive web surrounding alcohol, including the "clean wine" con.  Prepare for an eye-opening conversation as we dive headfirst...

Ep. 30 Freedom From "Sobriety" Rules: Do I Have To Count Days? 26.06.2023

In today's episode, we dive deep into counting consecutive days in sobriety. We invite you to join us as we challenge the belief that counting days is the sole measure of success when living alcohol-free.  Together, we explore the power of data (or growth) points as valuable tools for self-reflection. By examining the thoughts and behaviors surrounding moments of vulnerability, we can identify tri...

Ep. 29 Alcohol and Parenting: How do I talk to my kids about alcohol? Special Guest: Annie Grace 19.06.2023

June 19 - Ep. 29: How do I talk to my kids about alcohol? Special Guest: Annie Grace We are so blessed to have our friend and mentor, Annie Grace, on this week's podcast. We asked our friends and clients the most poignant question on their minds right now to ask expert Annie, and the answer was clear. We, as moms, are desperate to learn more about how we talk to our kids about alcohol. In this epi...

Ep. 28 Gray-Area Drinkers: The Telltale Signs You Might Be One 12.06.2023

From the outside looking in, is your life as glossy as a magazine cover? Sure, your drinking might not have caused a lost job, a broken marriage, or landed you in jail, but do you ever get that nagging whisper in your ear saying, "Maybe life would be better without the hangovers and hangxiety"? In today's episode, we unravel the mysteries of the alcohol use disorder spectrum and introduce you to t...

Ep. 27 From Happy Hour to ICU: What happened after Karla Adkins found out she was in liver failure at 37? 05.06.2023

Our friend and fellow This Naked Mind coach, Karla Adkins dropped by the pod to tell us her incredible story of how drinking to cope with stress and anxiety wound her up in the hospital with a liver failure diagnosis. Karla talks about all the "jobs" that she gave alcohol and how in order to break free, she had to untangle her beliefs about whether alcohol was helping her or hurting her.    Karla...

Ep. 26 How do I prepare for my first alcohol-free summer vacation? 29.05.2023

Who hasn't returned from a vacation declaring, "I need a vacation from my vacation!"? As the season of sunshine and sizzle looms on the horizon, one of our fab BJDW listeners nudged us for the inside scoop on navigating an alcohol-free summer. In this episode, we're your trusty tour guides on your summer getaway, trekking with you from bustling airports to serene beaches, from airplane seats to ho...

Ep. 25 What if your body was already ready for summer? 22.05.2023

What if your body was already ready for summer?    What would it feel like to not treat your body as a project that needed to be somehow fixed or made smaller? As we head into the summer, what would it feel like to already feel summer-body ready? On today's episode, we welcome fellow coach and sister in Christ, Jess Connolly, author of "Breaking Free from Body Shame, Dare To Reclaim What God Has N...

Ep. 24 What is shame and why are we talking about it? Special Guest Edition: Pastor David 15.05.2023

We talk a lot about the stories around alcohol that keep us stuck here on the pod. But what we haven't covered much yet are the stories about ourselves that are driven by shame and contribute to our "stuck" with alcohol, other unhealthy habits, tendencies and everyday addictions.    While there are tons of psychology-based resources on shame that can help us in our understanding of it, no conversa...

Ep. 23 What does freedom from alcohol look like for women's ministry leader and former Miss USA, Kristen Dalton Wolfe? 08.05.2023

We love connecting with women who are boldly and confidently living counter-culturally whether free from alcohol as a non-drinker or as followers of Jesus. Today's guest, Kristen Dalton Wolfe, does both beautifully and it was such an honor to chat with her and hear her story.   Kristen is a mental health and life coach, motivational speaker, author, former Miss USA and leads a women's ministry cal...

Ep. 22 Do non-drinkers secretly judge people who drink alcohol? 01.05.2023

Back when we were stuck in the over-drinking cycle we had all these ideas about what it would be like to be a non-drinker. Like, people who don't drink are judging those who do.    Turns out there are a lot of misconceptions about non-drinkers floating around that are not only not true but can be pointing to some underlying fears that may be keeping you stuck in the over-drinking cycle.   For toda...

Ep. 21 What is Lauren's freedom from alcohol story? 24.04.2023

This week we spoke with Christy's client Lauren all about how freedom from alcohol does not have to mean declaring we're not drinking "forever", instead we get to choose the role we want alcohol to play in our lives. We have a choice! Lauren tells us how putting down the sober day counter and having an instrumental growth point played a huge role in getting back in the driver's seat of wine. Laure...

Ep. 20 What is Ashley's freedom from alcohol story? 17.04.2023

In this week's episode, we speak to Christy's former client, Ashley who shares her incredible life-changing freedom from alcohol story.    Ashley talks about how an experience at eighteen years old in a nightclub changed the trajectory of her drinking. We chat about how these red-flag experiences can make us drink more to cope and how we need to teach our daughters the dangers of drinking.    Then...

Ep. 19 What do I do about fear and anxiety? Special Guest Edition: Christy Boulware 10.04.2023

We had a beautiful chat with Christy Boulware, founder of Fearless Unite and author of Nervous Breakthrough, Finding Freedom from Fear and Anxiety in a World that Feeds it and we're so excited to share it with you today. Hear how Christy's painful and beautiful story has become her purpose and how she uses it to help others.    How did she go from being a superwoman to staring at guns on her bedro...

Ep. 18 What's the big deal with mommy wine culture? 03.04.2023

Today's episode is another spicy one where we both as former "wine moms" and presidents of the mommy wine club dive into the pervasiveness of this not-so-funny-anymore messaging. We explore the tricks that are used to perpetuate the mommy wine lies like "wine is necessary for surviving motherhood," "it's our reward for momming so hard" and "it's ok to numb out around your kids as long as it's with...

Ep. 17 How do I design a life full of fun and adventure (including visiting wine country) if I'm alcohol-free? Special Guest Edition: Martha Wright 27.03.2023

Join us as we chat with our friend, Senior This Naked Mind coach Martha Wright about living a life full of fun, travel, pleasure, and adventure, all while living alcohol-free!    For 20 years, Martha was soaked in the wine industry as she and her husband built a winery and French wine import company. Then in 2019, she found freedom from alcohol and started hosting alcohol experiments in her wine c...

Ep. 16 What does a freedom from alcohol coach do? 20.03.2023

When it comes to finding freedom from alcohol, you've probably heard of AA and rehab, but did you know that there are coaches, like us, who can help you discover the life that you're longing for, and finally put wine in the rearview?!    In this episode we're going to talk all about what exactly a freedom from alcohol coach does. We will talk about how coaching and therapy are different, and how t...

Ep. 15 What are the 10 best things about never having to drink again? 13.03.2023

Join Meade and Christy in this fun chat around just a few–10–of their favorite things about being free from alcohol. They knew things like better sleep, less brain fog, and more hydrated skin were possible by "quitting drinking" and those things would have been enough but listen along to find out what unexpected gifts they have found from not just quitting drinking but from never having to drink a...

Ep. 14 What's Rachel's freedom from alcohol story? 06.03.2023

Today's conversation will not disappoint as Meade and Christy welcome Meade's former client and dear friend, Rachel, to share her freedom from alcohol story.    What did Rachel's life look like back in 2020 when stuck in the drinking cycle?    What stories were the hardest for her to untangle?    What are the best things about living alcohol-free?    What do her kids say about what is different no...

Ep. 13 Did Jesus drink wine or not? Special Guest Edition: Pastor David 27.02.2023

Join Meade and Christy in the studio today as they are thrilled to welcome Meade's pastor, David Walters, to the pod to be the resident biblical scholar for answering one of the most common questions they receive: did Jesus drink wine or not? What does the Bible say about this and does it really matter? David will courageously tackle this question and many others like: What is the meaning of "take...

Ep. 12 Am I an alcoholic? 20.02.2023

Have you ever wondered and maybe even googled, am I an alcoholic? If so, this is the episode for you! Join Meade and Christy for this super spicy episode where they don't hold back their thoughts (and research!) around the "traditional" view of how folks become addicted to alcohol and how our societal conditioning around this actually kept Meade and Christy more stuck in the drinking cycle and mad...

Ep. 11 Why am I craving sugar? Special Guest Edition: The Sober Nutritionist, Teri Patterson 13.02.2023

Join Meade and Christy as they welcome their friend, Teri the Sober Nutritionist, to the pod to discuss another very common question among those on the alcohol-free living journey: why am I craving sugar and will these cravings last forever? Teri offers wisdom and guidance around what we can do about sugar cravings, why it's not a bad thing to crave sugar and what that craving could really be sign...

Ep. 10 What do I do about an alcohol craving? 06.02.2023

Join Meade and Christy as they chat about all things alcohol cravings. Pulling from the thousands of hours of coaching they have done around this FAQ and with personal stories of what it looked like on their journeys, there's something for everyone in this episode.    They'll answer questions like: What are cravings anyway? How are they different than urges? What should you do when you're faced wi...

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