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Burden of Proof

Burden of Proof is a True Crime Podcast run by two paralegals, who happen to be generations apart! Elysia (Gen X) and Savannah (Gen Z) met at their law firm, and discovered a lifelong bond and mutual love for true crime. Come with them as they tell each other a new case each week, and use their paralegal experience to breakdown the legalities of what happens when the criminals get caught!

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Jan 23, 2025

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Case Number 50: Ellie Nesler, The Vigilante Mom 10.08.2023

The Nesler family story starts like so many others. Ellie Nesler sent son to a trusted church youth camp one summer. Month's later when Ellie finds out that a previously convicted pedophile who was working at the camp had sexually assaulted her son, she did what any mother would do. She notified the police. Unfortunately, it took well over two years for the man to face justice. It's then that Elli...

Case Number 49: The Gruesome Crimes of Taylor Schabusiness 03.08.2023

This week Savannah ventures way out of her comfort zone to give you all the details of Taylor Schabusiness and her crimes against Shad Thyrion, her former boyfriend. After Shad's mother found his head in a bucket at the bottom of her basement steps, police immediately found Taylor who was presumably the last person to see him alive. Taylor was literally caught red handed! Tune in to hear Savannah...

Case Number 48: The Carlie Brucia Tragedy 27.07.2023

**********WARNING: This case includes extra sensitive material including a child victim, sexual assault, and addiction**********   Join us for this listener requested case that has left us reeling! On Super Bowl Sunday of 2004, 11 year old Carlie Brucia made the grave mistake of walking home alone from a friend's house. Her mom, Susan, and stepfather, Steve, immediately began looking for her but i...

Case Number 47: John Leonard Orr AKA The Pillow Pyro, Part 2 20.07.2023

When we left Captain John Orr in Part 1, he was just about to become the ATF's number one suspect in the Pillow Pyro arson cases. Hold on because the story is far from over! Elysia spills all the tea about John's dream of being a published author, the last series of fires, and how his, not one, not two, but three trials went! Meanwhile Savannah discusses a couple more brief legal lessons and confe...

Case Number 47: John Leonard Orr AKA The Pillow Pyro, Part 1 13.07.2023

What comes to mind at the mention of fires in the L.A. area in the early 1990's? Eclipsed in the national news by things like police brutality, riots and the infamous OJ Simpson trial, The Pillow Pyro and the prolific string of arsons he committed is probably not the first thing that comes to mind. Tune in to find out how investigators began to suspect John Orr, an otherwise esteemed air force vet...

Case Number 46: The Terrifying Story of Lori Vallow Daybell, Part 2 06.07.2023

****WARNING: This case includes extra sensitive material including child victims**** We pick up part 2 of Lori's story with as much humor as possible because things take a very disturbing turn. So, we hope you like potatoes as much as we do! Savannah dives deeper into the conspiracy, Lori's rapidly declining behavior, more murders, how the police began investigating, and Lori's trial. Meanwhile, E...

Case Number 46: The Terrifying Story of Lori Vallow Daybell, Part 1 29.06.2023

********WARNING: This case includes extra sensitive material including domestic violence and child victims******** How does a previously devoted mother begin to believe her children are dark spirited and the only way to save everyone is if they die? A good start is twisting her religion into a doomsday cult like conspiracy theology. Tune in as Savannah breaks down the case of Lori Vallow Daybell a...

Case Number 45: William ”Randy” Triplett, The Cash Launderer 22.06.2023

When Billy and Debbie Triplett are found murdered in their Clay County home, detectives know the killer is most likely someone the couple knew. Not only because things like double homicide just didn't happen in the small town, but also the gruesome nature of what otherwise appeared to be a robbery. However, every lead went seemingly nowhere until Billy's son, Randy Triplett, entrusts some laundere...

Case Number 44: Elizabeth Holmes: TheraNOs 15.06.2023

Elizabeth seemingly grew up on the fast track for success. Wealthy, well connected parents, opportunities to learn all over the world, and a big enough college fund to attend Stanford University. Elizabeth was a dreamer though. Unfortunately, her dream would end very differently than so many rich kids who run Fortune 500 companies. Tune in as Savannah tells how this college drop out would go on to...

Case Number 43: The Assassinations of George Moscone and Harvey Milk 08.06.2023

Join us in a little Pride history lesson as we cover the lives and deaths of two great men that played an integral part in the LGBTQ+ community! As Mayor of San Francisco and ally to the community, George Moscone used his position and privilege to open doors for many who had always been oppressed and under represented. As San Francisco city supervisor, Harvey Milk was the first openly gay man to h...

Case Number 42: The Love Has Won Cult 01.06.2023

Pack a bag and some snacks as Savannah takes us on a trip across three states! The Love Has Won cult, also known as "Mother God cult," was a controversial spiritual group founded by Amy Carlson, who referred to herself as "Mother God" or "Mother Earth." The cult gained attention for its unconventional beliefs and practices, which were often described as a mix of New Age spirituality, conspiracy th...

Case Number 41: Bobby Lee Cutts, Jr., Officer Elbow 25.05.2023

Many were shocked when officer Bobby Lee Cutts, Jr. told the FBI that he knew where, his former girlfriend, Jessie Davis, was nine days after she went missing. Others were in disbelief when he claimed her death was accidental. Follow along as Elysia tells Bobby's tale of an amazingly strong elbow thrust that took the life of Jessie and her unborn child. Join in with Savannah's bewilderment as we d...

Case Number 40: Susan Walters, The Woman Who Killed Her Hitman 18.05.2023

Susan Walters thought she found her perfect match with her husband, Mike. Unfortunately, it didn't take Mike long to show his true colors. After 17 long years, Susan was ready for her ever after without Mike. Never did she imagine the lengths Mike would go to in an effort to stop her from getting it. Join Savannah and Elysia as they cheer on Susan in this rare bad ass survivor tale!    Join the co...

Case Number 39: Rod Ferrell, The Vampire Cult Murderer 11.05.2023

Take a peek into the world of vampirism as Elysia and Savannah fail miserably at talking about it seriously. Rod Ferrell on the other hand, took it very seriously and grew to believe that he could become immortal by taking life. After murdering Richard and Ruth Wendorf, Rod's vampire family questioned if he did it to become immortal or to save their daughter, Heather, from abuse. Either way, the f...

Case Number 38: Sarah Boone, The Suitcase Sleeper 04.05.2023

In today's episode, Savannah brings us a twist on a domestic violence classic. Possibly bored during the pandemic of 2020, known alcoholics Sarah Boone and Jorge Torres, played a tragic game of hide and seek. After zipping Jorge up into a suitcase, Sarah refused to let him out and later claimed she didn't realize he couldn't get out and that she fell asleep only to awaken in the morning to find Jo...

Case Number 37: The Kananen Family, Part Two 01.05.2023

Tune in for this roller coaster of a second installment on the Kananen family tragedy! Elysia does her best to concisely piece together the most relevant and wild circumstantial facts that the prosecution used against one member of the family in the disappearance of their parents. We know it's a long one, but hold on to your butts and maybe even your ears for Savannah will scream or squeal at ever...

Case Number 37: The Kananen Family, Part One 27.04.2023

**********WARNING: Child abuse detailed from 18:56 to 30:22**********   "You never know what happens behind closed doors" is an understatement when referring to the Kananen family. Join Elysia and Savannah for this tragic story of a family plagued with abuse, lies, resentment, and crime. In this first of two episodes, Elysia details what it was like to be a member of the Kananen family and Savanna...

Case Number 36: Darren Mack, Reno’s Most Wanted 20.04.2023

What's not to admire about a Father exercising his rights for the sake of his relationship with his daughter? Murder for one. Attempted murder, two. Lying about your assets, three. The list goes on and on when it comes to Darren Mack! Tune in to get the full list of reasons Savannah and Elysia left this recording session feeling really gross!    Let us know your thoughts! Find us on Instagram and ...

Case Number 35: The Disappearance of Shannon Matthews 13.04.2023

****************WARNING: This case involves child victims*****************   After 9 year old Shannon failed to return home from school, her mother, Karen Matthews, filed a missing persons report to authorities. One of the largest search parties to ever happen in the UK was conducted. However, it was a tip from a concerned family member of one of the perpetrators that lead detectives in the right...

Case Number 34: The Pike Hazing of Stone Foltz 06.04.2023

A 20 year old fraternity pledge died as a result of his initiation ritual. Who is responsible for this tragic accident? Is it the fraternity brothers who put the bottle of whiskey in his hand and then left him? Or is it the University that had turned a blind eye to hazing for years? Listen in as Savannah details the events that led to his death, the trials and who she believes is responsible while...

Case Number 33: Eugene Marie Chantrelle, The Failure 30.03.2023

Better known as the first person to be privately executed in Edinburgh, Scotland, this French native seemed to fail at everything he did, including fooling local authorities into believing his wife's death was accidental. Listen along as Elysia tells the sad tale of this once promising medical student turned alcoholic wife beater and Savannah continues to practice her French accent.    Let us know...

Case Number 32: The Murder of Tara Grant 23.03.2023

This isn't your typical husband cheats on wife, husband kills wife story. Did he cheat? Yes. Did he kill his wife? Yes. Did he make some of the worst decisions possible through the aftermath making their story so ridiculous that you'll laugh? Also, yes. Join us as Savannah tells the tale of Stephen Grant's decent into madness after killing his wife, Tara, and disposing her body in a most gruesome...

Case Number 31: Donald Leroy Evans, The Rest Area Killer 16.03.2023

******WARNING: This case involves a child victim****** While on parole, Donald borrowed a neighbor's car and abandoned his Christian girlfriend to travel to Mississippi where he unfortunately met a 10 year old girl named Beatrice. His capture for the murder of Beatrice led to his confession of killing over 70 people across 20 different U.S. states. Was it true or was this his last attempt at the u...

Case Number 30: The Lies, Addiction, and Murders of Alex Murdaugh 09.03.2023

Who is the Murdaugh family and why are they all over the news, social media and Netflix? If you're like Elysia, you didn't know much other than it has something to do with murder. Savannah couldn't wait to share what she knows now that Alex Murdaugh was found guilty! So, we're flipping the script and giving you two weeks of Savannah episodes! Listen in as she shares what happens when the fabric of...

Case Number 29: Belle Gunness, Hell’s Princess: Part 2 06.03.2023

If you didn't hold on to your butt during Part 1, be prepared to hold on now!! Join us for the finale episode of Savannah's black widow series and Part 2 to the twisted life of Belle Gunness, Hell's Princess. The lies, the murders, the affairs, and the accomplice! It's so much worse than Elysia could have predicted.    Let us know what you think. Find us on Instagram and Facebook!   Sources: Schec...

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