Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD
The Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD podcast, hosted by Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford, is for Human Resources and Organizational Development change-makers committed to bold work in an era that calls for the skills, values and partnership of these two disciplines. Bob and Joyce are former HR and OD C-suite executives who share their successes, failures, and hacks. They believe that it's an exciting time for this work and give specifics around acquisitions, policy nightmares, and grand moments. This podcast is to support your work and to take a moment to step away from the daily chaos. Come o...
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Jul 8, 2026
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Episodes
Episode 140: Beyond Crucial Conversations–Advice on Leveraging Differences in the Room 22.01.2024 11:16
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce share ideas on facilitating powerful conversations when differences exist in the room (BTW, differences always exist). As OD practitioners, we are all familiar with the setting of norms for teams to engage in respectful, bold dialogue. Today, Joyce reaches into her treasure trove of practical guidelines to facilitate real and productive conversations. While these ideas...
Episode 139: What Workers Want From Their Leader 08.01.2024 25:12
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce, explore leadership expectations through the lenses of their people. Joyce shares from a paper she recently wrote on what people want and expect from their boss. These are universal and timeless truths that serves as a litmus test for leadership effectiveness. In the spirit of the new year and renewal, we challenge you to rate yourself, and commit to one area to improve...
Episode 138: What Are You Willing to be Measured on in 2024? 03.01.2024 18:12
In the spirit of the new year, Bob’nJoyce share a process that creates rigorous accountability for top leaders. This is based on a process that Joyce created with a senior team to set intentions for organizational and personal wellness and success. It takes courage for a senior team to take a stand for what they are willing to be measured by and measure their peers by. Are you ready to take this c...
Episode 137: Let 'er Rip! Let’s Celebrate Every Holiday Tradition 18.12.2023 19:14
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce challenge the tendency to walk on eggshells when celebrating holiday traditions in the workplace. Too often, people and organization tamp down celebrating a holiday tradition to not offend. In the name of fairness, companies put restrictions on holiday celebrations that stifles inclusiveness and learning. We encourage companies to let er rip and allow employees to openl...
Episode 136: What’s Your Cranberry Ice? 11.12.2023 19:11
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce make the case for rituals in a world in flux and disarray. Rituals helps us find meaning, comfort, and continuity whether it be a holiday tradition or troubled times. Rituals ground us (the cranberry ice) helping to pave the way forward. The tricky part rituals is to: Let go of what’s not working or no longer relevant, Keep what’s valued (the cranberry ice), Make new ri...
Episode 135: The Power of Here and Now Revisited 27.11.2023 9:30
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce revisit last week’s conversation on the power and perils of being fully present. Here we unpack some afterthoughts that we felt is important to share. It is a quick conversation so be in the here and now and on the edge of your seat. Come on in. Grab a snack. Welcome!
Episode 134: The Power of Here and Now 20.11.2023 23:19
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce riff on the importance of immersing oneself in the present–the here and now. They discuss the discipline of getting real, its benefits, and at times, its awkwardness. Our brains are good at drifting and being distracted by what has happened or will happen. Being 100% in the here and now is ironically not where our minds spend much time. This is an experiential exercise...
Episode 133: Women at Work – Then and Now 13.11.2023 23:13
In this episode, Bob’Joyce discuss the recurring theme of issues women confront at work. Joyce shares what she confronted early in her career and how things have changed for the better. There remain challenges that male colleagues don’t have to deal with and that is where we go today. Some of the lessons Joyce shared to navigate as a woman at work: Having an older brother who picked on you helps....
Episode 132: Designing Work That Works 03.11.2023 15:30
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce unravel the merits and drawbacks of a hybrid workplace. Many companies are finding a middle ground that allows for both in-person and work from home. A recent HR Magazine article suggests that compromise work solutions are a wise choice that meets both business and employee needs. Some of our insights include: The art of co-designing can be messy. The debate/dialogue ab...
Episode 131: When Being Fair Doesn't Work 24.10.2023 26:13
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce discuss the challenge of good decision making. They offer a structured process to assess alternatives when making decisions. While they look at this topic from an HR/OD perspective, choosing wisely is foundational to being a good leader. Areas they explore include: Hiring right The fallout of good and bad decisions When fairness hurts the business case Where policy and...
Episode 130: Cross Cultural Clash Food Fight 17.10.2023 20:41
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce, explore the learning moments when cross company cultures clash. We share helpful exercises that deepen connections and appreciation for cultural differences. Not only do these exercises soothe the irritation but more importantly, taps the strengths from each culture. Areas we explore include: Managing the unique conflict styles of different cultures Making a meal a lea...
Episode 129: Unplugged and Wide Open 11.10.2023 24:17
In this week’s episode, Bob’nJoyce riff on a number of topics that enhance individual and organizational success. They follow their inspirations and irritations and offer advice on making the workplace safer and more high performing. What to Expect: Revisiting imposter syndrome and what to do to mitigate its harmful effects. How fear in a system impacts employees and organizational success. Using...
Episode 128: Why Do We Do Bob'nJoyce? 02.10.2023 10:38
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce talk candidly about their work and why it matters so much to them. The world is one big mess where world order and institutions are crumbling, and uncertainty and dissatisfaction abound. Bob and Joyce are passionate and committed to supporting the world’s change agents and difference makers. Our goal is to create an oasis of sanity for the brave OD and HR people on the...
Episode 127: Maximizing Your Most Important Asset - Your People 25.09.2023 23:30
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce explore the latest McKinsey work where they categorize employees based on work performance and engagement. In a world where quiet quitting and mass resignations are commonplace, Mckinsey’s work is both timely and important. What to Expect: ✨ Explore the 6 categories ✨ How to create a culture of high performance ✨ Examples of what leaders/organizations can do to get t...
Episode 126: Cultivating a Learning Organization - Part 2 19.09.2023 22:07
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce continue their exploration about what it takes to become a learning culture. Many organizations get stuck or bogged down because they are unable to adapt and change to remain relevant in the marketplace. Get paper and pen in hand for this episode as Joyce shares the conditions and practices to promote a learning culture. There’s really good ‘stuff’ here which is why we...
Episode 125: Cultivating a Learning Organization 05.09.2023 18:50
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce explore what it takes to become a learning organization. Many companies get stuck or bogged down because they are unable to adapt and change to remain relevant in the marketplace. They are, put bluntly, kind of dumb (i.e. unable to learn). Get paper and pen in hand for this episode as Joyce shares the conditions and practices to promote a learning culture. There’s reall...
Episode 124: The Super Power of Solitude 30.08.2023 18:35
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce discuss the merits of solitude - being alone with one’s thoughts. Today’s podcast is based on a lecture that was delivered by William Deresiewicz at the United States Military Academy at West Point in October 2009. He discusses the critical and often overlooked link between solitude and leadership. Join us to learn how Bob’nJoyce created space for leaders to think deepl...
Episode 123: How the Mighty Fall 21.08.2023 24:37
In Jim Collins latest book, How the Mighty Fall and Why Some Companies Never Give In, he describes the 4 stages of why companies fail. In today’s podcast, Bob’nJoyce rift on the markers (signs of trouble ahead) that Collins suggests leaders look for in their organizations. As OD and HR practitioners, we can use Collins’ insights to assess the general health of our organization’s culture. We feel t...
Episode 122: Imposter Syndrome – The Fear of Being Found Out 14.08.2023 22:19
Joyce and I often choose a topic based on an itch we need to scratch. In this episode, Joyce takes umbrage with the phenomenon known as imposter syndrome. it occurs often when high performers, often in new roles, are stretched professionally. All too often the phrase disparages the leader in question by creating doubt about whether they “fit in.” Feeling like an imposter hurts a person's performan...
Episode 121: Life Lessons From Maria Popova 03.08.2023 16:31
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce share the brilliant insights of Maria Popova, from her 16 life-learnings from The Marginalian. Popova’s curiosity and wonder for making sense of life is a gift to all of us who want to live happier, more fulfilling lives. Her writing is of relevance to we HR OD professionals committed to human growth, development, and purpose (beginning with ourselves). Here are a few e...
Episode 120: Designing Effective Meetings 01.08.2023 26:54
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce discuss the importance of meetings to an organization's success. Many of us look at our packed calendars and grimace. Too many meetings are a waste of people’s time and today’s episode is full of tips, tactics and strategies to make meetings a competitive advantage. In this episode you will learn: Why meetings in the morning are better. Ideas to address meeting fatigue....
Episode 119: HR Policies That Work 28.07.2023 32:43
In today’s episode, Bob’Joyce discuss seemingly banal topic of writing HR policy. We think writing HR policy is anything but banal, and essential to an organization’s health. Put bluntly, many organizations don’t put enough focus on writing good HR policy. We rift on policies that: • Support your particular business (what matters around here) • Set the tone and behavior to support the culture. • A...
Episode 118: Why Middle Managers Matter 17.07.2023 18:13
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce discuss the often maligned and under-appreciated middle manager. In most organizations, these people get the job done and establish the culture of their workspace. Middle managers are the figurative glue holding an organization together. In this episode, you will learn: • The attributes of a good manager • The challenges most middle managers face • The perils of managin...
Episode 117: Guide to Becoming a Great Interviewer 10.07.2023 23:30
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce demystify what it takes to become great at interviewing. Most people think they are pretty good at it. The truth is most of us can be so much better with small tweaks that make a big difference. Interviewing is arguably a leaders most important task. Come listen to find out why. In this episode, you will learn: • New approaches to up your interviewing game. • The distin...
Episode 116: The Audacity of Hope 26.06.2023 15:16
Bob’n Joyce attack the seemingly amorphous topic of hope. What we do know is that right now, we need the energy of hope. Hope comes from seeing a possibility that you love and feeling empowered to make it happen. Hope is: • optimistic and not foolish • the antidote to fear, anxiety and being stuck • deliberately changing thought patterns • Taking small actions to create something different So come...
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