Steve Fretzin

BE THAT LAWYER

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BE THAT LAWYER is for attorneys who want more freedom, enjoyment and most importantly, control in their career. Topics will include business development, marketing, branding, technology, and law firm growth. The goal is to educate, entertain and share best practices related to these topics, so that you, the listener can get real value. This is primarily an interview show with great guests (attorneys and legal marketing professionals), sharing stories and analogies, as well as engaging in personal discussions that will keep you entertained and coming back week after week.

Author

Steve Fretzin

Category

Business

Latest episode

Jul 9, 2026

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Episodes

Jen Lee: Innovation in the Legal Industry 13.05.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Jen Lee discuss: Breaking the mold of traditional legal molds within ethical guidelines. Legal models that are changing the game for attorneys. The growing demand for legal services in underserved communities and non-traditional markets. How COVID changed the legal landscape.   Key Takeaways: The billable hour contributes to lawyer burnout and work-life imbalance...

Tom Dunlap: Scaling Your Law Firm with Business Experts 09.05.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Tom Dunlap discuss: Letting go of the old things to promote the new things.  The power in relinquishing control.  The two paths to scaling.  Finding the right fit for your team, clients, and fees.    Key Takeaways: Having your name on the door makes you the lightning rod for problems. It is not as big of a benefit as most lawyers think.  If viable for your firm,...

Victoria Collier: Planning for the Future of Your Law Firm 06.05.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Victoria Collier discuss: Thinking about your law practice of the future.  Selling a book of business versus an actual business.  Balancing future needs with your current lifestyle.  Key components of having an exit strategy and preparing your firm for sale.  Technology that is supporting law firms to run better.    Key Takeaways: A solo practice is an asset as a...

Miriam Airington-Fisher: Be the Entrepreneur of Your Law Firm 02.05.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Miriam Airington-Fisher discuss: Building your business on your own or under a firm umbrella.  Embracing an entrepreneurial mindset.  Growing and scaling in different ways.  Advice for those lawyers going out on their own.    Key Takeaways: You get a higher return when you’re the one that you’re investing in.  Even though we are all important in our own ways, we...

Laura Sauter: Personal Branding and Authenticity 29.04.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Laura Sauter discuss: What branding really is and what it really means.  Personal branding to stand out authentically.  Building and protecting your reputation and brand.  Reflecting on your personal brand and values to elevate your law practice.    Key Takeaways: People hire lawyers, not just law firms. To stand out, you must have your own branding, not just tha...

David Aaronson: Using the Universal Seven Principles for Successful Legal Marketing 25.04.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and David Aaronson discuss: Why sales has a bad reputation in the legal industry.  Being human before selling.  Properly utilizing the Universal Seven Principles of Persuasion.  Understanding the emotional decision-making that happens before the intellectual decision-making.    Key Takeaways: Sales has changed from hard selling to consultant selling.  There is power...

Sarah Victory: Building Your Business Through Expert Speaking 22.04.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Sarah Victory discuss: Building your business without imploding.  What to focus on whether you’re running a small or large firm. The biggest problems lawyers face when scaling.  Getting business and leads from speaking and presentations.    Key Takeaways: Become better in the face of hard challenges. Don’t wish your challenges were easier when you can get stronge...

Robert Friedman: Before there is Marketing, there is Positioning 18.04.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Robert Friedman discuss: Focusing on the client and what their needs are, both physical and psychographic.  The five questions Robert asks each of his questions.   Setting your aperture appropriately.  Understanding your positioning and making it work for you.    Key Takeaways: When you can position yourself precisely, you won’t attract everyone, but you will att...

Andrew Michaels: Showing Your Best Side 15.04.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Andrew Michaels discuss: Matching your branding and headshot to your firm and business goals.  Opening the doors to consultation with your headshot.  What every lawyer should have in their arsenal of headshots.  AI headshots.    Key Takeaways: For internal purposes, you should have a friendly-looking headshot. That may not be what you want for your public headsho...

Niraj Chhabra: Planning for Your Law Firm’s Financial Future 11.04.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Niraj Chhabra discuss: How law firm financial planning is different from the average person.  Building a relationship on education first with your financial advisor.  Avoiding outgrowing your income.  Understanding your expenses now to know what you need for the future.  Thinking about and planning for long-term care.    Key Takeaways: Attorneys need more than ju...

Sean Klunder: Standing Out with Law Firm Marketing 08.04.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Sean Klunder discuss: Why law firms tend to run behind other types of businesses in marketing.  Understanding your SEO strategy.  Individual lawyer marketing versus law firm marketing.  Alignment and consistency in messaging in all areas of your firm.  Watch out for fool’s gold to ensure you’re swimming in the blue ocean.    Key Takeaways: There is a difference b...

Pamela DeNeuve: The Importance of Stress Reduction for Lawyers 04.04.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Pamela DeNeuve discuss: The importance of empathy, compassion, and a trusted listening ear.  Why anxiety, stress, and depression often start in law school.  What to do (and not to do) in the morning to have a better day. Overcoming the busyness and stress of being a lawyer.    Key Takeaways: 11%, that’s 11 out of 100, lawyers are struggling with suicidal ideation...

Marco Brown: Curating Relationships to Build Referrals and Make It Rain 01.04.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Marco Brown discuss: Changing your mindset to overcome limitations placed on you by yourself or your family.  Leveraging the knowledge of those who came before you.  Learn and implement the sales skills you didn’t learn in law school.  Leveraging your attorney referral sources.    Key Takeaways: Learn how to sell. Even before you are making it rain, you can turn...

Ashley Robinson: Law Firm Marketing the Right Way 28.03.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Ashley Robinson discuss: Creating a life on purpose.  Niching down your business to focus on who you want to work with.  Where lawyers need help with putting their marketing money.  Understanding what potential clients (and Google) are seeing when they look at your website.  Working with your marketing company to know what’s happening now and what the future hold...

Scott Simmons: Effective Business Development for Lawyers 25.03.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Scott Simmons discuss: Selling and following up without upsetting people. Getting out of the race to the bottom and reframing old ways of thinking. Dueling banjos of business development. The power of “how can I help?” and becoming more than just the lawyer.   Key Takeaways: What you’re really competing against is lawyer apathy, not other lawyers. You care more w...

Martin Lopez: The Power of Genuine Curiosity 21.03.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Martin Lopez discuss: The three tenets of curiosity.  Being interested in the other person. Peeling the onion to understand the other person’s problem.  Tips to foster deeper connections between lawyers and clients to improve relationships.    Key Takeaways: You’re not building trust when you’re talking at someone. You need to connect with them to build rapport a...

Nermin Jasani: Planning for Success in Your Law Firm 18.03.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Nermin Jasani discuss: Setting and implementing the plan to achieve your goals.  Understanding what is realistic for a quarterly goal.  Listing out the micro steps and adding them to your calendar for achievable goals.  Monitoring your metrics that move the needle forward. Utilizing time and calendars to make your day work for you.   Key Takeaways: Give yourself...

John Scott: Improving Your Law Firm’s Financial Metrics 14.03.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and John Scott discuss: Storytelling with the numbers that leads to a logical conclusion. Why spending time in the numbers is key. Dynamic forecasting and cash flow. Four categories of important financial metrics lawyers need to look at to grow their firm. Improving poor billing hygiene.   Key Takeaways: If you pay attention to the numbers regularly, you can make nec...

Marc Halpert: Building Your LinkedIn Profile to Maximize You 11.03.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Marc Halpert discuss: How Marc became the LinkedIn expert that he is today.  Spending the time to show the world you’re amazinger.  The recent and upcoming changes to LinkedIn.  Working within the rules of the system you are bound to.    Key Takeaways: LinkedIn is always changing, even as we speak. But there are ways to make LinkedIn work for you, even with the c...

Larry Smith: Becoming an Empathetic Lawyer 07.03.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Larry Smith discuss: Why lawyers are challenged to deal with stressors in an empathetic way. Listening and diagnosing the problem before trying to solve the client’s problem.  Building trust and relationships with clients.  How to handle a client on the ledge and setting expectations.    Key Takeaways: Be kind, you never know what other people are going through. ...

Doug Bradley: Marketing Your Law Firm the Right Way 04.03.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Doug Bradley discuss: Understanding the numbers around marketing.  Bootstrap marketing on a limited budget.  Laying the groundwork for solid website optimization.  Setting expectations and calls to action.    Key Takeaways: Having your own book of business gives you power and freedom.  Be willing to try and test out options. There is data out there for search ter...

Paul Angelle: Living Your Dynamic Business Plan 29.02.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Paul Angelle discuss: Working through the lens of ownership.  The biggest opportunity for growth…and the biggest obstacle for growth.  Advice to law firm owners to create their business plans.  Repetitive problems law firms have with executing their business plan.    Key Takeaways: Your goal must be consistent with your why.  Share your business goals with your t...

Justie Nicol: Building a Culture of Trust and Respect Across Generations 26.02.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Justie Nicol discuss: Leading and selling without fear.  Building your law firm to support you and your life.  Systematizing your training processes and procedures.  Running a virtual firm to invest in people over premises.   Key Takeaways: There are no bad people, only bad decisions. As a lawyer, your job is to make sure that that bad decision doesn’t wreck the...

Tim Lupinacci: Leading with Trust 22.02.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Tim Lupinacci discuss: Time management and prioritization.  Testing out leadership in smaller groups first.  Learning from others to strengthen your leadership skills.  Utilizing daily disciplines to support your leadership and your team.    Key Takeaways: Get together and pour into people and allow them to pour into you. You’ll build relationships and strengthen...

Julie Yusim: Building Your Law Practice by Playing the Networking Long Game 19.02.2024

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Julie Yusim discuss: Adding a little positive self-talk to your routine.  Getting value for your networking time.  Going deep and playing the networking long game.  Evaluating your wide network to see where you should go deeper.  Best tips and tactics for effective networking.    Key Takeaways: Networking is about giving, more than anything, especially at the beg...

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