All Out in the Open, Questions from the Closet
All Out in the Open
All Out in the Open is a resource for LGBTQ Latter-day Saints and those who love them. Our goal is to help listeners connect with themselves, with their families, with their community, and with God. Hosts Charlie Bird and Ben Schilaty help listeners open up to themselves and those around them. Clare Dalton digs into the scriptures and teaches how they can be a catalyst for personal revelation. Iese Wilson takes listeners on a tour of LGBTQ Latter-day Saints all over the Church and introduces us to modern day pioneers. Michael Soto and Liz Macdonald highlight the amazing work of those who are b...
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Jan 13, 2026
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Advocacy is for Everyone (with Landon Phillips) 03.06.2025 55:56
On this month’s ALL Together episode, hosts Liz Macdonald and Michael Soto sit down with Landon Phillips. Landon shares his journey of coming out, transitioning, and stepping into the world of LGBTQ+ advocacy. From focusing on faith-based spaces to working with Equality Arizona, Landon has used his voice as a trans person to foster change at both local and national levels. He also talk about build...
God's Promise to His LGBTQ+ Children (with Charlie & Ben) 27.05.2025 46:39
In this week’s OPEN Up episode, Ben and Charlie discuss the concept of deliverance, drawing parallels between the ancient Israelites and the LGBTQ+ community. They explore how the Spirit can push us to act, even when the path is difficult, scary or uncertain. They also acknowledge the trailblazers who helped pave the way for our deliverance and how knowing that others will follow in our footsteps...
Building Zion as LGBTQ+ Saints and Allies (with Patrick Mason) 20.05.2025 1:02:08
What does it take to build Zion? This week on IN the Scriptures, Clare Dalton sits down with Patrick Mason, professor of religious studies and history at Utah State University, to discuss Doctrine & Covenants 51-70. These sections follow the early Saints as they moved to Missouri to establish Zion. Clare and Patrick explore what Zion really means and the effort required to create it: We must r...
A Gay Brazilian's Take on Rainbows, Raindrops, and Divine Identity (with Icaro Paraguassú) 13.05.2025 1:08:31
OUT and About: Iese Wilson sits down with Icaro Paraguassú, who shares his experiences as a gay Latter-Day Saint from Brazil. They discuss faith, identity, diversity, and the need for resources that reach every language and culture. Icaro reflects on the rainbow as both a symbol of LGBTQ+ pride and a covenant with God, and how we each reflect the light of Christ in our own way. His rainbow pin ope...
How Two Parents Built What They Were Praying to Find (with Sara & Bryce Cook) 06.05.2025 52:41
In this heartfelt episode of ALL Together, Liz Macdonald and Michael Soto sit down with Bryce and Sara Cook, parents of two gay sons and founding members of ALL (Arizona LDS LGBT). After their sons came out, Bryce and Sara felt called to speak up, build bridges, and foster community. They hosted support groups in their home and organized an annual conference for LGBTQ+ individuals and families nav...
Ben Reflects on Being Denied a Temple Recommend (with Ben & Charlie) 29.04.2025 48:06
This month on OPEN Up, Ben shares a deeply personal story about navigating the reactions of his local Church leadership after he performed a same-sex wedding. Ben and Charlie discuss the scrutiny that LGBTQ+ Latter-Day Saints often face and how others Church members can help them feel seen.
How Gather Conference is Changing Lives (with Emilee Cutler & Spencer David Smith) 22.04.2025 45:25
In this special episode of THE Exclusive, Ben Schilaty is joined by Emilee Cutler and Spencer David Smith to talk about the upcoming Gather Conference, taking place this June in Provo, Utah. Now in its third year, the conference creates a Christ-centered space where LGBTQ+ individuals and those who love them can connect, learn, and feel seen. Emilee shares her personal journey from fear to peace a...
Seeing Beyond the Stereotype (with Sean Nicholes) 15.04.2025 1:12:11
This month on IN the Scriptures, Clare Dalton and Sean Nicholes—a gay Latter-day Saint, psychiatry resident, and member of the U.S. Air Force—explore Doctrine & Covenants 41-50. In these sections, the early Saints were dealing with rumors both inside and outside the Church. Clare and Sean discuss how these stories help us learn to challenge stereotypes and love those who are different from us....
Merging Mexican Tradition with the Restored Gospel (with Liv Mendoza Haynes) 08.04.2025 1:02:38
In this month’s episode of OUT and About, Iese Wilson sits down with Liv Mendoza Haynes, a queer, Mexican Latter-Day Saint. Liv shares how her unique intersection of identities shapes her spiritual journey. Liv reflects on joining the Church and serving a full-time mission in Mexico—and the complex emotions of teaching people from her own cultural background. Blessed to be in a mixed-orientation m...
How to Love Your Neighbor (with Malissa Larson) 01.04.2025 49:37
This week’s ALL Together guest Malissa Larson knows firsthand the power of community. A former homeless youth and first-generation college graduate, she worked her way through school and now serves as a Neighborhood Specialist for the City of Phoenix, helping to connect and uplift communities. In the episode, Malissa discuses with Liz Macdonald and Michael Soto the importance of meeting people whe...
We Need Allies More Than Ever (with Charlie & Ben) 25.03.2025 49:09
OPEN Up: Charlie Bird and Ben Schilaty tackle the overwhelming noise surrounding LGBTQ+ topics in the Church and society, sharing personal stories of feeling excluded, politicized or dehumanized. Those experiences can bring a lot of loneliness but also a deeper, more complex faith. Loving God and loving our neighbor go hand in hand—Ben and Charlie ask us to ponder, what does it truly mean to love...
What Would Past Me Think of Current Me? (with Ady & Cora Johnson) 18.03.2025 1:02:13
This week on IN the Scriptures, Clare Dalton sits down with Ady and Cora Johnson—returned missionaries, newlyweds, adventurers and active members of the Church. They dive into Doctrine and Covenants 29-40, exploring how God asks us to leave parts of our old selves behind. As we change, we may grieve the life we thought we’d live, but there is also incredible joy in becoming who we’re meant to be.
Finding Belonging as a Gay Samoan (with Wallace Pelesasa) 11.03.2025 1:02:10
In this episode of OUT and About, Iese Wilson interviews Wallace Pelesasa—a fellow Samoan and gay Latter-Day Saint. Growing up in a large family, Wallace attended church mainly to appease his father. His testimony didn’t truly ignite until his military service, where he met people whose faith inspired him. As he built a relationship with God, Wallace also embraced his own identity and discovered...
Ally Nights: Creating Community in Your Own Home (with Jen Dille & Clare Dalton) 04.03.2025 55:51
This week on ALL Together, Liz Macdonald and Michael Soto sit down with Clare Dalton, host of IN the Scriptures and curator of the Gatherings curriculum, and Jen Dille, project manager at the Center for Action and Contemplation. Together Jen and Clare started monthly Ally Nights—safe spaces for learning, connection and support for LGBTQ+ individuals and those who love them. The episode explores wh...
Remembering Ben's Mom - Grief in Real Time (with Ben & Charlie) 25.02.2025 49:06
In this week’s OPEN Up episode, Ben Schilaty shares his experiences with grief after recently losing his mother to her long battle with Alzheimer’s disease. He reflects on the incredible life she lived, the challenges she overcame, and the profound impact she had on those who loved her. Ben also reveals what has been helpful in the mourning process—including the simple but powerful question, “What...
The Invitation That Holds All the Answers (with Becca Shumway) 17.02.2025 53:29
This week on IN the Scriptures, Clare Dalton and Becca Shumway dive into Doctrine and Covenants 18-28. These revelations shaped the early structure of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, and Clare and Becca explore how structure can be both a help and a hindrance to personal growth. In the episode, Becca shares her insights on faith, the ongoing restoration and what it means to truly...
From Teen Convert to Branch President in Thailand (with Max Maneekam) 11.02.2025 55:48
In this week’s OUT and About episode, Iese Wilson interviews Max Maneekam, a gay Latter-day Saint from Thailand now living in South Carolina with his husband. Max shares his journey of faith, from discovering the Church at age 12 to serving a mission in Ogden, Utah, to becoming the branch president of his Thai congregation at age 21 to attending BYU-Hawaii. As he has navigated religion and identit...
Seeing LGBTQ+ Individuals Through a Christlike Lens (with Pastor Stan Mitchell) 04.02.2025 1:09:10
In this ALL Together episode, Liz Macdonald and Michael Soto sit down with Pastor Stan Mitchell, a Christian pastor with a powerful journey of faith and inclusion. Growing up in a fear-based, exclusivist Christian tradition, he gradually expanded his understanding of God’s love and eventually played a role in his Nashville church’s decision to fully embrace LGBTQ+ members in 2015. Now, he travels...
Grieving the Life You Thought You Would Have (with Lisa Valentine Clark) 28.01.2025 1:09:15
This month on OPEN Up, Ben Schilaty and Charlie Bird sit down with Lisa Valentine Clark. Lisa is a mother of five and host of the podcasts “The Lisa Show” and “Council of Moms.” Lisa shares her experience with grief following the death of her husband. She discusses navigating life when it doesn’t go as planned, including finding connection and living in the present.
Giving Ourself and Others Space to Grow (with Terri & Dan Pratt) 21.01.2025 1:13:15
This week on IN the Scriptures, Clare Dalton talks with Terri and Dan Pratt, parents of six neurodivergent children, some of whom are LGBTQ+. They share their journey of supporting their kids, overcoming internalized beliefs, and building a more inclusive faith. Drawing on Joseph Smith’s First Vision, they discuss the importance of family support and unconditional love for youth navigating their i...
Converting in Hong Kong... To Become Straight? (with Uri (Yin Jai)) 14.01.2025 49:04
From Hong Kong to Brigham Young University-Hawaii, Uri shares his journey as a gay member of the Church—finding God’s love, self-acceptance, and community along the way. Tune in to this heartfelt OUT and About episode with host Iese Wilson as Uri reflects on his path, the challenges he’s faced, and his message of hope for LGBTQ+ individuals: You’re perfect, you’re brave, and you’re not alone.
Creating Social Safety for LGBTQ+ Loved-ones (with Dr. Lisa Diamond, Julia Decker, & Jay Christensen) 07.01.2025 1:10:08
Kick off the new year with an inspiring ALL Together episode! Liz Macdonald and Michael Soto interview Dr. Lisa Diamond, professor of psychology and gender studies at the University of Utah, and her research assistants Julia Decker and Jay Christensen. The trio discusses their important research on social safety for LGBTQ+ members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and provides pra...
Exploring Body Image and Eating Through an LGBTQ+ Lens (with Sydney Williams, LCSW) 02.01.2025 57:07
In the new OPEN Up episode, Charlie Bird and Ben Schilaty sit down with Sydney Williams, LCSW, a therapist and eating disorder specialist, to explore the complex relationship between body image and the LGBTQ+ community. They share insights into the cultural and historical factors shaping body ideals and offer practical advice on loving and trusting your body as a gift from God.
Spanish Episode: Compartiendo Nuestras Experiencias como Miembros Gays en la Iglesia 24.12.2024 57:14
Don’t miss the first episode of All Out in the Open in Spanish! In this special episode of THE Exclusive, Charlie Bird and Ben Schilaty share their experiences as gay members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and answer frequently asked questions. We hope this episode can be a resource to support Hispanic individuals and families on their journeys of faith, love and understanding.
Asking Questions is the Answer: JS-H and D&C 1-2 (with Austin Peterson) 17.12.2024 1:00:53
This week Clare Dalton is joined by Austin Peterson, her collaborator on the Gatherings curriculum—Come Follow Me study groups designed for LGBTQ+ Church members and allies. Together, they dive into the early sections of the Doctrine and Covenants, exploring how asking questions can deepen our connection to God, ourselves, and others.
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