Carlos Caro
Affiliate Marketing For Lenders
This Podcast is for consumer lenders who want to grow their affiliate marketing programs. It’s hosted by Carlos Caro, a successful marketing agency founder and former fintech executive. Prior to founding New Market Growth, Carlos was a General Manager and Head Of Business Development at Credit Karma, Head of Customer Acquisition at Caribou, and a former leader in Capital One’s credit card business. NMG focuses on helping lenders build and optimize affiliate programs, and Carlos is here to share how to do it yourself. Subscribe to this Podcast to hear from Carlos and other industry leaders as t...
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Jun 30, 2026
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E036 - Media Arbitrage vs. Brand Arbitrage 29.10.2025 26:52
I was recently a guest on another Podcast, and the host asked me a question about what will happen to publishers' organic traffic that disappeared with the recent Google / SEO changes. That question led me into a bit of a tangent / rabbit hole (I'll republish that episode here when it goes live in December), and today I share some of my updated thoughts after having an evening to reflect on the co...
E035 - Compliance in Affiliate Marketing, The 6 Blind Spots - With Alana Levine, CRO at Fintel Connect 16.10.2025 39:47
Alana Levine, Chief Revenue Officer at Fintel Connect, returns to break down the compliance challenges that affiliate marketers face. As AI reshapes the affiliate landscape, financial institutions face mounting pressure to get compliance right—or face serious consequences. In this episode, Alana shares her framework for managing affiliate compliance at scale, the real-world costs of getting it w...
E034 - Organic traffic to affiliate publishers is getting smashed 26.09.2025 13:06
We've all heard the rumors around SEO traffic drying up for publishers. Today I riff on what's going on, why it's happening, and what lenders should be doing about it. This is a supplement to something I recently published on The Free Toaster Newsletter. https://www.thefreetoaster.com/p/the-seo-apocalypse-has-arrived-9812 ***** A word from our sponsor, Spinwheel: Reduce friction in your lendin...
E033 - The AI Finfluencers Are Coming 25.08.2025 18:46
We explore how fintech lenders could revolutionize customer acquisition by partnering with AI-powered finfluencers, alleviating current concentration in affiliate marketplaces. Key Topics The Current Problem: 30-70% of fintech lender volume comes from affiliate marketplaces, creating concentration risk. Lenders spend $4B-$6B annually on affiliate marketing but lack control over rankings and algori...
E032 - Launching Affiliate Marketing Programs With Alana Levine, CRO at Fintel Connect 06.08.2025 1:07:51
We sit down with Alana Levine, Chief Revenue Officer at Fintel Connect, to uncover what financial institutions get wrong when launching affiliate marketing programs—and more importantly, how to get it right from day one. As someone who lives in the trenches and is often the first call when lenders want to activate the affiliate channel, Alana shares her unfiltered pre-launch checklist and the hard...
E031 - Income Verification, With Kirill Klokov, CEO at Truv 30.07.2025 33:00
We sit down with Kirill Klokov, CEO of Truv, to break down everything lenders need to know about income verification providers. Vetting Income Verification Vendors Why most providers use the same underlying data sources The power of back-testing analysis on your own data Smart questions sophisticated lenders ask during RFPs The Consumer Experience Why 35% of users drop off at bank login screens H...
E031 - 10 Direct Mail Pitfalls That Kill Programs (with Rich Walker) 14.07.2025 1:49:44
Rich Walker is back! After our first direct mail episode became the most popular episode on the show, we're back for round 2. The 10 DM Pitfalls We Discuss 1. Attribution Nightmares People get your mail, then go to Credit Karma to respond. Your CFO freaks out about "paying twice" but that's just how the channels work together. Rich breaks down holdout testing and why you need to stop thinking abou...
E030 - The State of Compliance In Lead Gen, With John Henson, Founder at Henson Legal 26.06.2025 1:22:54
I sat down with John Henson, a fintech-savvy lawyer who formerly worked at LendingTree (both as an attorney and a general manager). He unpacks the regulatory chaos swirling around lead generation in 2025 — what’s changed, what’s still risky, and how fintech marketers can navigate it without getting burned. In today's discussion: The CFPB Rolled Back Rules: Credit card and personal loan lead gen ju...
E029 - Positive & Negative Select (Think Like A Recruiter) 13.06.2025 11:11
I explain positive and adverse selection in lending using recruiting as an analogy. If you've ever hired someone, you'll instantly understand why your channels, pricing, and process determine your loan portfolio quality. Key Takeaways The Big Idea: Attracting great borrowers works exactly like hiring great people. The parallels... 1. Channel Quality Inbound (website traffic): People actively searc...
E028 - Marketplace Madness (Success in one affiliate doesn't guarantee success in another) 16.05.2025 13:38
I talk about a surprising case study where a lending product thrived in one affiliate marketplace but completely flopped in another. We explore the key differences between marketplaces that can dramatically impact performance and provide actionable insights for fintech marketers. Key Insights Don't assume success transfers between marketplaces: A product that works well with one affiliate partner...
E027 - Playing The Game In Reverse 25.04.2025 12:28
Marketers sometimes like to enter new channels gradually, conservatively even. This works in many channels like paid search, social, and direct mail. But for fintechs, entering new affiliate channels like this can have catastrophic consequences. In today's Podcast, I share why entering into new affiliate marketplaces "cautiously" can be dangerous for new entrants. I'll walk you through how to pl...
E026 - Colin Gardiner, General Partner at Yonder Ventures 15.04.2025 1:02:33
We chat with Colin about how AI is changing marketplaces. His thesis: “The rise of agentic AI will transform marketplaces from passive aggregators to active facilitators of transactions.” To learn more, check out Colin’s take on how AI will revolutionize marketplaces: https://www.gardinercolin.com/p/ai-and-marketplaces-agent-led About Colin Gardiner Former economics/statistical researcher that now...
E025 - Jason Steele, Credit Card and Award Travel Expert 09.04.2025 51:48
We sit with credit card expert Jason Steele about what's happening behind the scenes in the industry. Jason shares how he went from tech work to becoming a respected credit card authority who writes for major publications and runs CardCon, the credit card industry conference. We discuss: The "Coupon Book Problem" - Premium cards are becoming more complex with endless small benefits ($6 at Dunkin...
E024 - Tim Li, CEO at LendAPI 24.03.2025 1:01:01
LendAPI lets you create application flows, credit decision engines, and complete lending products through simple drag-and-drop tools—all without hiring engineers or spending millions. You can build and launch lending products quickly and efficiently, then use a working product to raise venture capital. Even non-financial businesses like boat dealerships are using it to replace clunky Excel-based a...
E023 - Guru Sethupathy, Founder & CEO at FairNow 18.03.2025 39:38
In this episode, I catch up with my old Columbia PhD classmate Guru Sethupathy , founder of FairNow, an AI governance platform for financial services. About AI Governance: Involves three key components: Monitoring AI performance, explainability, and bias Ensuring compliance with financial regulations Establishing clear AI policies and procedures Why It Matters for FinTechs: Often viewed as a cost...
E022 - Greg Cox, Group CEO at Quint Group (Monevo) 04.03.2025 39:56
In this episode, we speak with Greg Cox , CEO of Monevo, to discuss their recent acquisition by TransUnion and how they're transforming credit offer distribution. Greg explains how Monevo serves as a technology layer connecting lenders and publishers, allowing lenders to distribute highly qualified credit offers to third-party websites and aggregators. The platform helps lenders target the right c...
E021 - Rich Walker, Direct Mail Deep Dive 12.02.2025 1:39:36
Rich Walker is a 35-year industry vet who’s been responsible for over 10 billion pieces of Direct Mail. Rich has led direct marketing teams at Capital One, the Winterberry Group, Deluxe Corporation, 2nd Order Solutions, and more recently, Aven. So we jumped at the opportunity to get his take on how lenders can leverage Direct Mail to grow their customer acquisition programs. We Discuss: 1️⃣ Why...
E20 - Congruence 04.02.2025 10:51
What is Congruence? Aligning messaging from your ad, to your landing page, to your final conversion steps creates lift in your marketing funnel, reducing your CACs and increasing your customer acquisition volumes. It sounds elementary. Yet many organizations forget to do it. Today we dig into examples of marketing from Wells Fargo and Discover to illustrate what it means to be Congruent across you...
E019 - Kevin Bennett, CEO at Further 27.01.2025 28:44
We chat with Kevin Bennett, a successful entrepreneur who helped grow Caribou to a billion-dollar company. Now, he's back with Further, a platform focused on helping people afford their first homes. Kevin shares important lessons for early-stage founders and gives practical advice for growing a business. We Discuss: Product vs. Distribution: Kevin explains why both product development and gettin...
E018 - The Free Toaster Podcast (and Newsletter) 23.01.2025 2:10
I just launched a new Podcast at the intersection of marketing, lending, and fintech. It includes everything you get on this show, plus more. (PS - If you're happy with Affiliate-only content, stay here. I'll keep publishing episodes I think will be relevant to you). Find the new show by searching "The Free Toaster" on your Podcast player, or by going here: https://thefreetoaster.podbean.com/ Plea...
E017 - How New Balance's CMO Turned Around A 15-Year Decline 18.12.2024 18:00
Carlos shares what he learned about brand marketing from New Balance's turnaround. TL;DR - For 15 years, New Balance watched its revenues decline. Consumers saw its sneakers as “dad shoes”—safe, comfortable, but uncool. Traditional direct-response marketing wasn’t reversing the trend. In April 2020, a new CMO, Chris Davis, arrived with a bold idea: flip the marketing mix from a 70% reliance on d...
E016 - CPA Negotiations 09.12.2024 8:48
Carlos riffs on why CPA negotiations are a waste of time and 9 other things you should know about the topic as someone new to the channel. Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction to CPA Negotiations (01:43) Understanding CPA and Market Dynamics (02:22) Strategies for Effective CPA Management (06:11) Common Pitfalls and Final Thoughts Where to find Carlos: LinkedIn Twitter/X Find Us: Don't forget to...
E015 - Tomas Campos, CEO at Spinwheel 26.11.2024 49:21
We sit with Tomas Campos, CEO at Spinwheel. Spinwheel’s product caught my attention because affiliate marketers could use their product to reduce the friction in their application processes. Timestamps: (00:00) Meet Tomas Campos, CEO of Spinwheel (02:30) Ideal customers and use cases (06:30) Success metrics (12:35) Challenges building the business (15:37) Partnering with lenders (22:41) Uplift...
E014 - David Nohe - Unpacking the CFPB's Rule 1033 on Open Banking 12.11.2024 42:22
We sit with David Nohe, CEO of FinGoal, to discuss the CFPB’s Rule 1033 on Open Banking and the implications it has for bank marketers. Timestamps: (00:00) David Nohe, CEO of Fingoal (01:59) The 101 on CFPB Rule 1033 (09:32) Consumer consent (18:04) Future of subscription models (22:52) Funnel dynamics / friction (24:09) Credit bureau vs. open banking data (26:43) Why be concerned or optimistic...
E013 - Personalization - The Case For Building Hyper-Niche Products 01.11.2024 17:06
Personal finance platforms (like Credit Karma) are now at scale, with the ability to recommend products at the 1:1 user level. Further, they’re incentivized to recommend niche products that are highly customized to each user. Lending products, however, are designed for mass audiences. This disconnect presents a huge opportunity for lenders. Timestamps: (00:00) Why personalization matters (04:06)...
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