Andrea Baker & Matt Florio
A HOP Podcast (With No Name)
A lighthearted podcast about the practical use of HOP concepts in our personal and work worlds.
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Andrea Baker & Matt Florio
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Latest episode
Jul 8, 2026
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Episodes
Episode 33 - Something you can try tomorrow to "do HOP" (part 3) 19.06.2024 28:59
Andrea continues sharing her personal examples of when she individually "did HOP" while at a large organization.
Episode 32 - Something you can try tomorrow to "do HOP" (part 2) 05.06.2024 32:46
We continue with Andrea's examples of behaviors she changed while working at a large organizations in a safety role.
Episode 31 - Something you can try tomorrow to "do HOP" 22.05.2024 30:41
Andrea shares how she started putting HOP intro action while in an individual contributor role.
Episode 30 - What to do with the "inexperienced workforce" 08.05.2024 33:25
The new generations of workers is not going anywhere, so we revisit the topic of episode 23 (based on listener questions) and add more to the discussion.
Episode 29 - What to do when your big ticket solution from Operational Learning gets shot down 24.04.2024 28:21
We discuss a recent question we were asked around how to move forward after the biggest (and likely most expensive) solution from your operational learning session is axed by Leadership.
Episode 28 - HOP outside of work 10.04.2024 30:02
Andrea shares a difficult situation she is navigating and how what she has learned from HOP influences her life outside of work.
Episode 27 - "HOP is adding too much extra work" / A case for HOP 27.03.2024 31:14
We discuss the common push back that the internal requirements following any Operational Learning can feel like a burden, but there are ways we can push on those constraints. Also - Matt was able to use a very confusing (but maybe helpful) puppy analogy.
Episode 26 - "I like HOP, but our recent incident was too severe and we need to return to basics" / A case for HOP 13.03.2024 31:55
We start with a story around a rule of unknown origins. From there, we explore why after major incidents even "HOP" leaders want to go back to their prior ways.
Episode 25 - "We pay people to follow the rules" / A case for HOP 28.02.2024 30:01
We discuss the common objection around "rules" and the role they play in keeping people safe. As you might expect, it leads us back to the conversation around people problems vs. system problems.
Episode 24 - "But I fundamentally believe all accidents are preventable" / A case for HOP 14.02.2024 21:27
Andy and (a sick) Matt discuss one of the most common places of tension when someone talks about HOP. What does it mean when we say "not all accidents are preventable"?
Episode 23 - "Our workforce is too inexperienced and they keep making mistakes" / A case for HOP 31.01.2024 25:22
The workforce is getting younger and coming in with less experience. We discuss why it is so crucial to learn from the new workforce about their reality.
Episode 22 - " But at the end of the day I still have to answer to regulators and our legal team" / A case for HOP 17.01.2024 29:22
We tackle the next audience question centered around how HOP may run into conflict with both regulating bodies and internal legal teams.
Episode 21 - "If my injury rate won't improve then why should I bother?" / A case for HOP 03.01.2024 24:18
We answer a listener's question around injury rates and the adoption of HOP.
Episode 20 - "We don't have the time to make this change" / A business case for HOP 20.12.2023 27:15
We tackle a listen asked question on how to handle the pushback from leadership that the organization does not have "the time or the resources to make this change" by making a business case for HOP.
Episode 19 - How can an organization adopt HOP? 06.12.2023 30:02
After wrapping up homework with our invented mitigation defense, we move on to share how we see HOP adopted by organizations. We'll spend time on what's worked well for some places and what challenges we hear most often.
Episode 18 - Performance Modes and Mitigation Defenses 22.11.2023 32:50
Andy starts with a story around how we respond to an incident without considering what performance mode(s) the people executing the task are in. From there, we discuss why we should shift our energy and resources into adding mitigation defenses rather than something like "retraining" post-incident.
Episode 17 - Performance Modes 08.11.2023 28:02
Let's talk about Performance Modes. What are they and how do they fit into our view of work?
Episode 16 - Operational Learning (part 6) 25.10.2023 31:51
We wrap up the operational learning mini-series by going over what happens after you define the problem statements.
Episode 15 - Operational Learning (part 5) 11.10.2023 28:30
We define the problems from episode 14's operational learning session and discuss what goes into properly crafting problem statements.
Episode 14 - Operational Learning (part 4) 27.09.2023 30:38
We talk through how we create the conditions for candor while we're working with different organizations. From there, Andy practices some operational learning on what it's like for Matt to book their travel.
Episode 13 - Operational Learning (part 3) 13.09.2023 27:53
We cover how the homework from last episode (being teachable) works with a 3.5 year old. Then it's all about creating the conditions for candor and psych safety.
Episode 12 - Operational Learning (part 2) 30.08.2023 36:24
We start by discussing the complexity of... you guessed it - baseball. From there, we start breaking down operational learning through the idea of "being teachable".
Episode 11 - Operational Learning (part 1) 16.08.2023 33:08
It's time for another mini-series, and this time we're looking at all things operational learning. We start the series by discussing one area that makes operational learning so crucial - complexity science.
Episode 10 - Agency and Empowerment 02.08.2023 34:26
Story Time! Andrea shares a story about giving agency to a group of workers and the changes that followed.
Episode 9 - Accountability (part 3) 19.07.2023 29:31
We wrap up the 3 part Accountability series by covering counterfactuals and how they impact our view of people or system problems, the role of a culpability matrix, and how to create a high accountability environment.
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