4:13 Podcast with Jennifer Rothschild

When Lysa TerKeurst experienced the painful, unwanted end of her nearly 30-year marriage, she found herself asking hard questions and searching Scripture for real answers. She didn't just need comfort—she needed clarity, truth, and a way forward. On today's episode of the 4:13 , Lysa shares the resource she wishes she had during that season and tackles some of the most difficult questions many wom...

Do you ever feel let down in your daily experience as a Christian? You're not alone. Pastor and bestselling author Gary Thomas understands that frustration—which he says often comes from believing lies we don't even realize we've embraced. Today on the 4:13 , Gary unpacks the subtle deceptions that quietly shape our expectations, steal our joy, and keep us from the abundant life God promises. He r...

You may know Nicole C. Mullen as an incredible singer-songwriter, but did you know she's also a certified Bible nerd? That's right! And she not only knows the Word, but she can teach it too, bringing it to life in a powerful, practical way. So today on the 4:13 , Nicole takes us into Scripture to remind us that it's never wrong to do the right thing—even when it's difficult or costly. Because, let...

Before we rush into the new year, KC and I are taking a moment to look back on 2025 — the fun moments, the hard moments, the lessons learned (and unlearned), and the ways God has faithfully carried us through it all. We hope this conversation inspires you to reflect on your own year, celebrate what God has done, and step forward with expectancy for all He has ahead. Happy New Year! 🎉 SHOW NOTES:...

This is a very merry episode of the 4:13 Podcast today because … it's Christmas, and we want to sprinkle a little extra joy into your celebration!  We're talking about the wonder and joy of Christmas—but also the mess of Christmas, because let's be real, it can get a little messy, right? So, we'll laugh together, share a few stories, and remind your heart that Jesus shows up right in the middle of...

We are deeply relational people, longing to be connected and known. That's how we were created! Yet despite having endless ways to connect these days, loneliness is on the rise. So today on the 4:13 , author Alli Patterson addresses the loneliness epidemic and breaks down how you can build relationships that actually nourish your soul! But here's the best part…  Alli went straight to God's Word to...

Are you feeling overwhelmed by out-of-control thoughts, consuming worry, or the nagging weight of guilt? Well, I've got good news: Your thoughts don't have to control your life! Instead, you can tame those thoughts, and here to help you do it is "America's Pastor," Max Lucado. Through Scripture and biblical wisdom, Max will teach you how to renew your mind and change your thinking—one thought at a...

When life gets hard—really hard—it can be tempting to throw in the towel. But today you're going to hear an incredibly powerful testimony of why you shouldn't.  Pastor Shawn Johnson talks about how he received a devastating brain disease diagnosis that left him wrestling with despair, doubt, and the desire to give up on everything, including his faith and his future. But through vulnerability, com...

Thanksgiving may come once a year, but thankfulness is for every day. So in this special edition of the 4:13 , we're looking at what Scripture says about cultivating an attitude of gratitude—not just today, but always! We hope you'll meditate on these verses and let them shape your perspective—no matter what season you're in—because there's an abundance of joy that comes from a heart full of grati...

Empathy is often misunderstood, even maligned. But the truth is—it's one of the most powerful ways to experience healthier emotions and stronger relationships. True empathy isn't about coddling or rescuing; it's about understanding and care that respects God's truth and empowers personal responsibility. Today on the 4:13 , Bill and Kristi Gaultiere share biblical and psychological insights into wh...

People are hurting on a scale we've never seen before. They're dealing with an onslaught of issues like anxiety, grief, mental health struggles, and family troubles. Pastors and counselors want to help, but they've become inundated and can't meet every need. It's a crisis that's expected to only become worse. But what if the church stepped in? What if the body of Christ could bring healing to the...

When you've been hurt or let down, or when you've failed over and over, it's easy to be way too hard on yourself and others. Maybe you've struggled to forgive yourself if you've blown it, or you can't forgive others if they have.  But my friend, there's hope! The gospel is anchored in grace, which means you can forgive others AND be gentle with yourself. Today on the 4:13 , author and pastor Micah...

Do you ever feel like the problems in our world are just too big for you to make a difference?  Well, today on the 4:13 , former Ohio governor and presidential candidate John Kasich will tell you why that's simply not true! Drawing from his own faith journey and years of public service, John shares how faith communities have incredible potential to bring hope and healing—even in a divided culture....

Do you ever feel paralyzed when making decisions—especially when it's one that's really important? You just want to be sure you're making the right choice. But how do you know? And what if you're wrong? Oh friend, I get it! Decision-making can be overwhelming, especially when paired with lots of uncertainty. But today, you're going to learn that you can make faithful, God-honoring decisions, regar...

Have you ever wrestled with doubt and wondered if it meant your faith was slipping away? You're not alone! When we find ourselves torn between faith and uncertainty, it's easy to feel disappointed, disillusioned, and distant from God.  But what if doubt isn't a threat to your faith? What if it's an invitation to a deeper relationship with God? Today on the 4:13 , Niki Hardy will help you shift you...

Does it ever seem like your thoughts have a mind of their own? Persistent negative thinking, anxiety spirals, or lingering offenses can quickly take over if you don't know how to stop them. But here's the good news—you can take control of your thoughts, and God has already given you the tools to do it. Pastor Kyle Idleman joins me on the 4:13 and shares how brain science and Scripture agree that w...

Have you ever noticed that even when your body is still, your mind is still racing? Worry, distractions, and endless to-do lists often crowd out the quiet we long for—and can make prayer feel impossible.  But what if there was a way to experience both peace in your mind and presence in prayer? In this episode, author Jennifer Tucker invites us into the practice of meditation— Christian meditation...

In a world that's hyper-focused on hustle and productivity, many of us have been taught that our worth is tied to what we do. But what if being is more valuable than doing ?  Today on the 4:13 , Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith—physician, spiritual mentor, and coach—shares how to embrace a life rooted not in performance but in stillness, rest, and your God-given identity. With warmth and wisdom, she offer...

Life has a way of throwing us into seasons we never saw coming—career changes, shifting relationships, or even that vague sense that what used to work just doesn't anymore. In these moments, it's easy to feel disoriented, like success is slipping further and further out of reach.  But what if these unsettling moments are actually fertile ground for something beautiful? Today on the 4:13 , Levi Lus...

Wouldn't you like to not only understand God's Word, but also let it transform you by the power of the Holy Spirit? Oh friend, me too!  So today, we have Pastor Dan Jacobsen with us, and he is going to unpack how this is possible. But first, you should know there's something really special about this… Years ago, Dan unearthed an unpublished manuscript tucked away in a dusty manila folder that belo...

In the fast-paced, overly scheduled cadence of our culture, it can be hard to fit in Sabbath. But what if Sabbath isn't designed to fit into our busy lives? What if it's supposed to take over our lives? Hebrew scholar and Old Testament professor Travis West is here to help you radically reimagine what it means to Sabbath! And contrary to popular belief, it's not just about taking a day off or crea...

Conflict. Division. Disagreements. Whether it's with a neighbor, a co-worker, a friend—or even a stranger—navigating relationships isn't always easy. Yet somehow, we're called to love our neighbor.  But what does that even mean? And how does it show up when relationships are so complicated? Well, on this episode of the 4:13 , author and Bible teacher Jada Edwards will challenge you to rethink what...

In a noisy, fast-paced world, quiet can feel out of reach—like it's a luxury reserved only for the super-spiritual, the ultra-disciplined, or those with endless free time. But quiet is, and always has been, at the heart of every single person, and it's essential to our spiritual life and growth. So today on the 4:13 , author Sarah Clarkson is back with a powerful reminder: quiet is not about the a...

Do you ever feel intimidated when reading the Bible on your own? You're not alone. Many of us want a deeper connection with God's Word but find ourselves relying on devotionals or simply reading for information, without letting it truly change us. Well today, The Navigators' very own Bill Mowry will help you shift that mindset.  He shares five powerful practices to help you encounter God every tim...

We're all just trying to get through life in this messed-up world, and whether we realize it or not, we all go looking for a "fix" to help us cope with the pain, uncertainties, or difficulties we face.  Sometimes those fixes seem harmless, and other times, they spiral into habits we can't break. So, today on the 4:13 , best-selling author, psychotherapist, and Enneagram expert Ian Morgan Cron will...