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4 Real
4 Real is a podcast from Dechert LLP exploring the latest trends and developments in commercial real estate finance. Join co-hosts Jon Gaynor and Sam Gilbert every month as they delve into current issues impacting both the legal and business aspects of real estate finance transactions, including lending, securitization and restructuring. Each episode features market commentary and interviews with industry thought leaders, providing listeners with valuable insights and practical advice, plus a little banter along the way. © 2026 Dechert LLP. All rights reserved. This information should not be...
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Episodes
4ward Legal Thinking, CRE Industry Updates and Festive Holiday Traditions 15.12.2023 33:54
In this episode of the Dechert 4 Real podcast, hosts Jon Gaynor , Sam Gilbert and Ella-Marie Smith share their predictions on trends and upcoming regulatory changes expected to drive commercial real estate industry developments in 2024. We touch on issues percolating in the market in our 411 segment, as guest John Ludwig-Eagan joins to discuss the latest updates on SEC Rule 192. And, we share our...
Commercial Real Estate in the UK, Plus the Corporate Transparency Act, Cayman Updates and Halloween Treats 07.11.2023 35:30
In this episode, co-hosts Jon Gaynor, Sam Gilbert and Ella Smith welcome global finance partner Aparna Sehgal of Dechert’s London office to compare and contrast the CRE market in the UK with that of the U.S. The group also gives updates on the Corporate Transparency Act and the grey list status of the Cayman Islands, and shares their Halloween costumes from this year’s festivities. Show Notes Corp...
CREFC Capital Markets Conference, Warehouse Facilities and Autumn Favorites 10.10.2023 42:33
In a special episode, co-host Jon Gaynor joins producers Matt Armstrong, Stewart McQueen and Kate Mylod, and special guest partner Gennady Gorel for another round of CREFC Roulette following the Capital Markets Fall Conference in New York. Gennady also digs into the latest trends impacting warehouse financing, and the group shares their favorite fall fun-tivities, minus the pumpkin spice.
CRE Litigation Trends, Lending Order Disruptions, Article 7 Reporting Updates and Nerdy Beach Reads 05.09.2023 38:30
In our latest episode, hosts Jon Gaynor, Sam Gilbert and Ella-Marie Smith welcome Dechert partner Mauricio España to discuss recent trends in CRE litigation, and how clients are more inclined than ever to work towards resolution. The group also chats about possible disruptions to the lending order as banks continue to pull back, including predictions as to who may step up, developments to Article...
Distressed Debt in CRE: Silver Linings, a War Story From the GFC and the Dog Days of Summer 04.08.2023 34:06
In our latest episode, hosts Jon Gaynor, Sam Gilbert and Ella-Marie Smith welcome Dechert partner Laura Ciabarra to discuss distressed debt in CRE, including market trends, some silver linings that may surprise you, and a war story from the GFC. The group also chats about developments in Boston related to office to resi conversion, a bankruptcy case that could impact the meaning of funding in a le...
SEC’s Securitization Conflict of Interest Rule, Cayman Island Updates and Favorite Vacation Spots 06.07.2023 27:44
In our latest episode, co-hosts Jon Gaynor and Ella-Marie Smith welcome Dechert global finance associate, John Ludwig-Eagan, to discuss the SEC’s new Conflict of Interest rule regarding securitizations. The group also debates whether the Cayman Islands will move off the FATF’s grey list, shares favorite vacation spots – complete with meal recommendations – and launches the “4-1-1” and “4 Real High...
CREFC Roulette: Six Key Themes and Four Cocktails Inspired by the June Conference 22.06.2023 31:51
In this special episode, our producers Matt Armstrong, Stewart McQueen and Kate Mylod take to the mics alongside Jon Gaynor to recap the Commercial Real Estate Finance Council’s June Conference held in New York City from June 12-14. Topics include industry sentiment towards the Fed regarding interest rates, the encouraging buzz around CRE-CLOs, and the fate of office as an asset class, plus four C...
It’s Easy Being Green: ESG and CPACE Loans, Plus Debt Ceiling Drama 07.06.2023 38:40
In their second episode, Jonathan Gaynor, Sam Gilbert and Ella-Marie Smith welcome fellow Global Finance colleague Jason Rozes to the podcast to share the latest sustainability trends impacting commercial real estate, from a discussion on the evolution of key terminology to the potential impact of the (yet-to be published) SEC climate risk disclosure rules, and a definition of CPACE that only a mo...
Crisis Averted: Navigating Recent Bank Closures, Plus LIBOR’s Final Days 05.05.2023 32:46
In our inaugural episode, co-hosts Jon Gaynor, Sam Gilbert and Ella Marie Smith and our first guest, Dechert New York partner Kathleen Mylod, share their thoughts on the recent bank closures, the related impact on cash management provisions in loans (today and on a go forward basis), and the world’s best/worst/only LIBOR joke. Read more about the recent banking closures in Dechert’s “Crisis Averte...
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