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What happens when design stops being about creating objects and becomes a way to understand the world? Ollie Knight and Rory McGrath, founders of the independent design practice OK-RM, join us to reflect on an 18-year journey driven by intuition over logic and predefined answers. We explore the space between instinct and structure, the importance of allowing ideas to evolve without over-defining t...

Who are you when no one is watching? Rajdeep, Ameet and Simran sit down for a raw, relatable conversation about what it truly means to live authentically. They reflect on their university years, the pressure to please others, and the heavy burden of wearing different masks at work, with family, and across curated social media profiles. Highlighting the striking disconnect between desire and realit...

What gets in the way of truly hearing the world around us? In the final episode of our New York series, recorded ahead of their Total Response performance, devotional musician and composer Surya Botofasina joins Deep and nep to explore the profound spiritual discipline of listening. Surya reflects on how our own rigid expectations often block us from answering the call of the present moment. He sh...

How do we find true freedom when we are simply too tired to carry the weight of our own thoughts? Ahead of their Total Response performance in New York, critically acclaimed composer and multi-instrumentalist Angel Bat Dawid and artist Nirbhai nep Sidhu join Deep for an unfiltered exploration of music, memory, and endurance. Angel shares nostalgic reflections on her childhood parlour room and how...

What keeps you on the path when the world tries to pull you away? Ahead of their TOTAL RESPONSE performance in New York, artist Nirbhai (nep) Singh Sidhu and legendary musician Ishmael Butler join Deep K Kailey to explore the "compulsion" that drives the seeker. They discuss the bravery required to evolve your art in a world that demands consistency, and the fascinating challenge of nami...

Is true play an act of discipline? Ahead of their TOTAL RESPONSE performance in New York, artists Carlos Niño and Nirbhai (nep) Singh Sidhu join Deep K Kailey to explore the rigorous yet joyful practice of creative expression. They discuss the concept of Simran and the profound responsibility of sharing it with care and integrity. Exploring their deep artistic connection, they reflect on the freed...

What do you do when a "creative" industry fails to fulfill your purpose? Artist Sejal Parekh shares her non-linear journey, from earning a BA in fine art to years in marketing, and the essential pull that brought her back to the studio. She discusses her experiential sculptural work, including a piece inspired by a vivid memory of a stone handmill (chaki) that was contested by others. We explore t...

How do we stay grounded in our purpose when the world offers us the trap of ego? BAFTA-longlisted animator Gagandeep Kaur Chahal joins us to discuss the profound shift in perspective that motherhood has brought to her life and work. We explore the deep research behind her acclaimed animation 'Cha', inspired by the incredible resilience, love and detachment of Bibi Jagdish Kaur, and what it means t...

What is the true currency of life? Artist, poet, and visual storyteller Tyreis Holder invites us into the "portals into her mind," sharing how her textile and poetry practice became a vital healing device after debilitating grief. We discuss the challenge of overthinking and the freedom found in simply giving yourself permission to 'just do' when words fail. Tyreis shares how a creative community...

How do we prevent ourselves from slipping back into old patterns? Manuela Moscoso, Executive and Artistic Director of CARA in New York, joins us for a deep dive into institutional building rooted in transparency and kinship. We explore her unique curatorial approach—putting ideas in relation to one another to uncover hidden genealogies—and the vital importance of un-learning the "why" behind our h...

When does freedom become overwhelming? Artist Jordan Zayas Kelly discusses the pressure of time in an academic year and the paradox of the blank canvas, exploring how we often crave external constraints when true freedom feels like too much. She shares her journey from a rigid, prescriptive artistic approach to creating intuitively, and how this shift allows her work to be more accessible. We disc...

Art as a universal language. Deep and Angie open the conversation reflecting on the profound, similar impact of the Journey of the Mind exhibition on audiences in both London and New York, underscoring how a mind "out of control" connects us all through shared pain and the search for purpose. The conversation then pivots to Sally Tallant, President and Executive Director of the Queens Museum, who...

Can we find peace in chaos? Artist Anais Öst shares the profound inspiration behind her work: witnessing an Icelandic volcanic eruption. She reflects on how nature’s displacement, despite its power, is never rooted in greed, and how fire creates fertile ground for rebirth. The conversation explores interconnectedness, using the powerful analogy of the mind as a water droplet seeking to merge with...

What happens when the career you were told to pursue leaves you empty? Artist Ed Vince, who held senior roles at companies like Apple and Facebook, shares his candid journey from the peak of the tech bubble to a profound personal 'breakthrough'. We explore the unsustainable chase for external validation and the desperate attempts to find internal consistency through intense wellness practices. Ed...

How does the search for Truth lead you back to your true Self? Artist Ramone 'K' Anderson opens up about the internal wrestling match he experienced when following rigid paths led him to neglect his inherent artistic purpose. He shares how restrictive views blocked his creative flow, only for his art to ultimately bring him back to his deepest sense of Self. We explore the essential work of unlear...

Michelle, Rajdeep & Ameet discuss the energy drain of people-pleasing and how to reclaim agency over your own happiness. Exploring practical strategies for understanding your own patterns of behaviour, including what triggers intense emotional responses like anger. 

We hear from the digital branding expert who revolutionised Tate's social media presence, Jesse Ringham, who shares his views on the future of creativity and the impact of artificial intelligence on the artworld and beyond. Jesse James Ringham is a Founder and Creative Director with two decades of experience in future trends, cultural engagement and revenue generation. Jesse is an expert in levera...

Suleyman ‘Suley’ Wellings-Longmore, human rights lawyer, Harvard Law graduate and acclaimed artist, shares his journey from London to Paris to Ghana. In this exchange, he explores identity, heritage and how masking tape became a powerful tool in his art to make the vulnerable seen and heard.    Suleyman ‘Suley’ Wellings-Longmore is a British artist of Jamaican, Nigerian and Polish heritage, and a...

Deep, Angie and Rajdeep dive headfirst into some of life’s greatest taboos: death and grieving. We explore why it’s so easy to avoid these conversations, and offer a fresh perspective on how to open up about loss, process grief. Our conversation explores everything from the initial shock of loss to navigating the long-term journey of grief and honouring the lives of those we love, while offering p...

Xavi is a city trader who turned his back on finance to pursue his dreams of being a multidisciplinary artist. In this conversation, we explore how he discovered his true calling and what it means to lead a life of purpose. Xavier Laurent Leopold is a Sierra Leone-born, South London-based artist, author and lecturer whose bold abstract portraiture explores themes of time, introspection, faith and...

We sit down with Navjot ‘Nav’ Sawhney, founder of The Washing Machine Project, to hear how a chance encounter during a sabbatical in South India changed the course of his life. What began as a conversation with a neighbour has become a global mission to empower women and ease the burden of handwashing clothes. Navjot ‘Nav’ Sawhney is a humanitarian engineer and the founder of The Washing Machine P...

Claire Davies, a former British military officer with 22 years in counterintelligence, shares her journey from global conflict zones to the boardroom. Now a Chief Information Security Officer, she opens up about overcoming imposter syndrome and leading the fight against cyber threats in the business world. Claire Davies is a highly respected British military veteran with 22 years of experience spe...

There’s more to success in business than the bottom line. Sabine Zetteler, founder of a purpose-driven communications agency, joins us to discuss how integrity shapes every part of her business. From choosing the right collaborators to standing by your values, Sabine shares what it takes to build a people-first agency rooted in respect, equity and social justice.

Discover the inspiring story of Harnarayan Singh, the trailblazing first Canadian-Sikh ice hockey commentator. From his early passion for the sport to breaking barriers in broadcasting, Harnarayan weaves together his love of hockey and kirtan, offering a unique perspective on culture, identity and belonging. Harnarayan Singh, born and raised in small-town Alberta, became one of Canada’s top media...

Rejane Dal Bello, an award-winning graphic designer, and David Barnett, Senior Lecturer at Chelsea College of Arts, share their personal journeys into the arts and explore their understanding of seva, or selfless service. They reflect on their work with Without Shape Without Form and what the arts have taught them about purpose and creativity.