The Legal Burnouts

In honor of bar exam week, bar exam abolitionist Liz Gil gets real with Kate and Josey about the inequities of the exam, and the "breathtaking pushback" she experienced when advocating for change during the 2020 Barpocalypse. Liz, Kate, and Josey attempt to unpack why already licensed attorneys are so determined to keep the bar exam in place: Is it burnout and bitterness from a highly stressful ex...

Corporate attorney CJ Donald sits down with Kate and Josey to share his story of burnout, which stemmed from both the burden of race work- the extra, often unpaid work of mentoring and recruiting that is placed on Black associates- and from working at an unsustainable pace, doing work he had outgrown. This is a can't-miss episode with practical advice on how to overcome burnout by advocating for y...

In our first guest episode, Tom Stephenson, VP of Community and Legal Operations at Legal.io and host of the Dear Legal Ops podcast, shares why he chose to leave a decade-long career as a firm paralegal for a career in legal ops, and how learning to live authentically helped him overcome burnout. Learn how Tom has navigated his identity as a member of the LGBTQ+ community at work, and created a ro...

Kate and Josey share their stories of burning out in traditional law, and discuss some aspects of the legal industry that may cause burnout to be such a widespread issue in the profession. They also realize they don't actually know each other that well yet: Stay tuned to see whether their friendship continues or blossoms into hate.(Sound quality improves in subsequent episodes. Thanks for bearing...