REVcovery

We have the honor to welcome the one and only Scott Okamoto to the podcast today! Justin got to hang out with Scott for his book launch in Los Angeles and it was so good we felt like we had to have him on the show. As an Asian American college professor at a conservative university his revcovery looks different than many of our listeners but its themes of care for the other above dogmas and priori...

This is another in our ongoing series highlighting the stories of our Patrons on Discord. This week Elizabeth Mora shares her unique story of ministry in an openly progressive denomination and how the grass isn't always greener on the other side. We all have our own individual starting points but we are all in this together. Welcome to the REVcovery Room. We now have a Discord now for our Patrons!...

This week Justin and Sarah reflect on another Easter outside of the pulpit and in the wilds beyond the stained glass windows. We can't go back to who we were as clergy but we still carry that sense of calling to name the truth and "go first" regardless of where we are. Wherever you find yourself this Holy Week we hope you feel deeply at home and at rest. Welcome to the REVcovery Room. We now have...

This week we are happy to have a member of our Discord community share their experience of REVcovery. Rev Dr. Sara Relaford is a former UMC minister whose perspective on the journey into and out of ministry has been so valuable to our community. She and her husband were a clergy couple who deconstructed their views on ministry at roughly the same time while managing two church’s worth of expectati...

Folks we have a treat for you this week because Dr Tripp Fuller is with us to talk about community, the Church, and his love of Justin's sweatpants. It's a wide ranging conversation but stick around for the end as we talk about the good things we experienced in ministry and how we take those into the next thing. Welcome to the REVcovery Room! We now have a Discord now for our Patrons! You can join...

This week on the pod we have Tim Whitaker, creator of The New Evangelicals, on the show. Tim was a super volunteer in churches and on worship teams and over time began to see that what was being practiced in churches was not lining up with what he had been taught his faith was all about. He started asking questions and that eventually led to his exit from volunteer life and into a new kind of comm...

We have a great episode for you this week with Dr. Harold Dorrell Briscoe! Our guest is a renaissance man in many ways and uses all of his varied passions and interests to create community and connection wherever he goes. Dorrell is one of our few guests that has both deconstructed their faith and continues to serve in a local church and his story is one you will want to pay attention to. Welcome...

This week's episode is the last in our series of interviews at Theology Beer Camp. Today you will get to hear Justin interview Dr. Roberto Che Espinoza. We get a little into Dr. Roberto's journey as a nonbinary Transqueer Latinx person and how that shapes their work in politics, theology and ethics. It is a delightful and informative conversation that we are very excited to be able to share with y...

This week we discuss grief, transitions, and all the other things with Psychotherapist Rebecca Ching. Her story is filled with transitions and career changes into and out of ministry and the professional world. She is a phenomenal guest and more than a few of you will resonate with her journey into and out of this thing we are all trying to REVcover from. Sit back, get cozy, and welcome to the REV...

Folks you are in for a great conversation because this week we have Author and Agent Cathleen Falsani on the show. As a former religion reporter for the Chicago Sun Times Cathleen has seen many of the shifts that drive this revcovery journey that we are all on and offers excellent insight in how to both survive and thrive in this ever changing landscape we find ourselves in. It's a true delight th...

Hey friends we are delighted to introduce you to Coach Chris Rodriguez (website here)! He has an amazing story and message that will resonate with any of you that find yourselves in a human body. This conversation ranges from feeling tension in the church as a person of color, how to identify what you really want, and also how being in a body is a good thing. You are going to love it. Welcome to t...

Welcome friends and happy belated new year! We are so excited to start this new season of REVcovery with you. This week Justin and Sarah talk a bit about new years and renegotiating our relationship to self-discipline, goals, and our expectations. We hope it is a conversation that you find helpful and encouraging as you look ahead to what this year holds for you. Welcome to the REVcovery Room! Lea...

Folks we made it! Episode 40 and the end of our first year of REVcovery. Sarah and Justin are so grateful for the many delightful twists and turns this first year has had and can't wait to see what happens in 2023. In this episode we reflect on the last year and also talk about how our relationship to the mega holiday that is Christmas and New Years has changed since we have left ministry. We abso...

We are happy this week to welcome Dr Jennifer Bashaw to the REVcovery Room! Sarah and Justin had an opportunity to sit down with Dr Bashaw at Theology Beer Camp to discuss her time in ministry, journey into academia, and how being in a female body impacted that journey. It is a fantastic conversation that we are so delighted to share with you and hope it gives some perspective on how theology shap...

This week we welcome our good friend Heather Sanford to the REVcovery Room! In addition to being a delightful individual Heather served for many years in youth ministry and then on an executive leadership team and she has more than a few words to say about it. Her story pulls on themes of honesty, vulnerability and how those things are not always welcome in the church. It's a real treat to talk to...

This week we welcome Matt Kendziera to the REVcovery Room! In addition to being a former pastor Matt is also an author, musician, speaker and all around renaissance man whose book "Bring it Home: The Adventure of Finding Yourself after Being Lost in Religion" highlights the journey many of us in revcovery are on. It's a great conversation that really hits on what it means to not just survive leavi...

This week we are happy to present one of the interviews Sarah did at Theology Beer Camp with the incredible Dr. Sarah Lane Ritchie. It is a wide ranging conversation but it centers on the hiddenness of God and what we do with that mystery. For many of us in REVcovery that question drove us out of the church altogether and this conversation helps us to see that maybe there is more behind the curtai...

Hey friends this week is a simple episode where Justin and Sarah share a bit about what life is like after you have fully made the transition out of ministry (or whatever you did). How do you set expectations, manage boundaries, and simply live life after a calling? We don't know the answer for everyone but we are happy to share what is working for us and hope you find some good in it. Welcome to...

This week we welcome Josh Patterson, former pastor and now brewer at Full Tilt Brewery, to the show! Josh has an amazing story of coming to terms with the information his body was telling to him about his time in ministry and bravely allowing himself to trust that he knew the right moves to make. He is a real delight both in person and in recording and we are excited to share this conversation wit...

This week we sit down with Cameron Bishop, Executive Director of Impact Lives, an organization that uses cognitive science to change the lives of clients ranging from school kids to professional athletes. Cameron is a former minister whose incredible story touches on the feelings of growing up out of place and what we do as ministers to our internal voice in order to "serve" the church. We hope th...

This week we interview Derek Myers, better known on the internet as "Derek the Heretic." Derek is also one half of "Your Favorite Heretics" so combined with Justin and Sarah you need to brace yourselves for a whole lot of heresy. But seriously, Derek is one of the most kind people we have had on the show and their journey of healing is one we are very happy to share with you. Welcome to the REVcov...

This week we are delighted to introduce you to our new friend, former minister, and current member of the REVcovery Community, Jeff Elkins! This episode really is a full circle moment for us because neither Justin or Sarah knew Jeff before this podcast got started. Jeff is an active member of our REVcovery Discord Community and after learning more about his story and seeing how much of the work he...

Hey friends we are back with a Justin and Sarah episode wherein we discuss the ups and downs of living with religious and societal expectations that simply aren't good for humans. We also talk about things that help us, how to balance hope and skepticism, and how that anxiety you are feeling is probably normal. Welcome to the REVcovery Room! If you would like to join a community of like minded peo...

Hey friends we have a bit of a different episode today; we are doing a crossover podcast with Blake Chastain of Exvangelical! In this episode we talk a bit about burnout in the ministry and in influencer culture as well as some ways we can deal with being chronically online. We hope you enjoy it and find it helpful in your REVcovery. Welcome once again to the REVcovery Room! If you would like to j...

Friends we are so very excited to welcome Bradely Onishi to the REVcovery Room! Bradley is a former pastor, the co-host of the "Straight White American Jesus" podcast and author of the upcoming book "Preparing for War: The Extremist History of White Christian Nationalism--and What Comes Next." What we enjoyed so much about this conversation is Bradley's strength of character and vulnerability in a...