Stewart Baker

The Cyberlaw Podcast

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The Cyberlaw Podcast is a weekly interview series and discussion offering an opinionated roundup of the latest events in technology, security, privacy, and government. It features in-depth interviews of a wide variety of guests, including academics, politicians, authors, reporters, and other technology and policy newsmakers. Hosted by cybersecurity attorney Stewart Baker, whose views expressed are his own.

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Technology and Terror 10.10.2023

Today's episode of the Cyberlaw Podcast begins as it must with Saturday's appalling Hamas attack on Israeli civilians. I ask Adam Hickey and Paul Rosenzweig to comment on the attack and what lessons the U.S. should draw from it, whether in terms of revitalized intelligence programs or the need for workable defenses against drone attacks.  In other news, Adam covers the disturbing prediction that t...

Is Silencing a Few Million Americans Protected Speech? 03.10.2023

The Supreme Court has granted certiorari to review two big state laws trying to impose limits on social media censorship (or "curation," if you prefer) of platform content. Paul Stephan and I spar over the right outcome, and the likely vote count, in the two cases. One surprise: we both think that the platforms' claim of a first amendment right to curate content  is in tension with their claim tha...

The U.K. Adopts an Online Safety Bill That Allows Regulation of Encrypted Messaging 26.09.2023

Our headline story for this episode of the Cyberlaw Podcast is the U.K.'s sweeping new Online Safety Act , which regulates social media in a host of ways. Mark MacCarthy spells some of them out, but the big surprise is encryption. U.S. encrypted messaging companies used up all the oxygen in the room hyperventilating about the risk that end-to-end encryption would be regulated. Journalists paid lit...

Is the Government's Antitrust Case Against Google Already in Trouble? 19.09.2023

That's the question I have after the latest episode of the Cyberlaw Podcast. Jeffery Atik lays out the government's best case: that it artificially bolstered its dominance in search by paying to be the default search engine everywhere. That's not exactly an unassailable case, at least in my view, and the government doesn't inspire confidence when it starts out of the box by suggesting it lacks evi...

Generative AI Means Lifetime Employment for Cybersecurity Professionals 12.09.2023

All the handwringing over AI replacing white collar jobs came to an end this week for cybersecurity experts. As Scott Shapiro explains, we've known almost from the start that AI models are vulnerable to direct prompt hacking—asking the model for answers in a way that defeats the limits placed on it by its designers; sort of like this: "I know you're not allowed to write a speech about the good sid...

TechnoColonialism – In Reverse 06.09.2023

The Cyberlaw Podcast is back from August hiatus, and the theme of the episode seems to be the way other countries are using the global success of U.S. technology to impose their priorities on the U.S. Exhibit 1 is the EU's Digital Services Act , which took effect last month.  Michael Ellis spells out a few of the act's sweeping changes in how U.S. tech companies must operate – nominally in Europe...

AI Leaders Bring Washington a Bag of Promises 26.07.2023

In our last episode before the August break, the Cyberlaw Podcast drills down on the AI industry leaders' trip to Washington , where they dutifully signed up to what Gus Hurwitz calls "a bag of promises." Gus and I parse the promises, some of which are empty, others of which have substance. Along the way, we examine the EU's struggling campaign to lobby other countries to adopt its AI regulation f...

The FTC Doubles Down, Down, Down 18.07.2023

This episode of the Cyberlaw Podcast kicks off with a stinging defeat for the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), which could not persuade the courts to suspend the Microsoft-Activision Blizzard acquisition. Mark MacCarthy says that the FTC's loss will pave the way for a complete victory for Microsoft, as other jurisdictions trim their sails. We congratulate Brad Smith, Microsoft's President, whose po...

District Judge's Injunction Sets Off Fireworks 11.07.2023

It's surely fitting that a decision released on July 4 would set off fireworks on the Cyberlaw Podcast. The source of the drama was U.S. District Court Judge Terry Doughty's injunction prohibiting multiple federal agencies from leaning on social media platforms to suppress speech the agencies don't like. Megan Stifel, Paul Rosenzweig, and I could not disagree more about the decision, which seems q...

The Geopolitics of Extraditing Hackers 05.07.2023

Geopolitics has always played a role in prosecuting hackers. But it's getting a lot more complicated, as Kurt Sanger reports. Responding to a U.S. request, a Russian cybersecurity executive has been arrested in Kazakhstan , accused of having hacked Dropbox and Linkedin more than ten years ago. The executive, Nikita Kislitsin, has been hammered by geopolitics in that time. The firm he joined after...

Stewart Baker and Max Schrems Debate the Privacy Framework 03.07.2023

Max Schrems is the lawyer and activist behind two (and, probably soon, a third) legal challenge to the adequacy of U.S. law to protect European personal data. Thanks to the Federalist Society's Regulatory Transparency Project, Max and I were able to spend an hour debating the law and policy behind Europe's generation-long fight with the United States over transatlantic data flows.  It's civil, poi...

Sen. Schumer Tackles AI Regulation 28.06.2023

Sen. Schumer (D-N.Y.) has announced an ambitious plan to produce a bipartisan AI regulation program in a matter of months. Jordan Schneider admires the project; I'm more skeptical. The rest of our commentators, Chessie Lockhart and Michael Ellis, also weigh in on AI issues. Chessie lays out the case against panicking over existential AI threats, this week canvassed in the MIT Technology Review . I...

Yet Another Synthetic Moral Panic Over Privacy 21.06.2023

Senator Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) is to moral panics over privacy what Andreessen Horowitz is to cryptocurrency startups. He's constantly trying to blow life into them, hoping to justify new restrictions on government or private uses of data. His latest crusade is against the intelligence community's purchase of behavioral data, which is generally available to everyone from Amazon to the GRU. He has laun...

Cryptopocalypse 13.06.2023

It was a disastrous week for cryptocurrency in the United States, as the Securities Exchange Commission (SEC) filed suit against the two biggest exchanges , Binance and Coinbase, on a theory that makes it nearly impossible to run a cryptocurrency exchange that is competitive with overseas exchanges. Nick Weaver lays out the differences between "process crimes" and "crime crimes," and how they help...

Debating AI Regulation 06.06.2023

This episode of the Cyberlaw Podcast kicks off with a spirited debate over AI regulation.  Mark MacCarthy dismisses AI researchers' recent call for attention to the existential risks posed by AI; he thinks it's a sci-fi distraction from the real issues that need regulation —copyright, privacy, fraud, and competition. I'm utterly flummoxed by the determination on the left to insist that existential...

Interviewing Jimmy Wales Cofounder of Wikipedia 01.06.2023

In this bonus episode of the Cyberlaw Podcast, I interview Jimmy Wales , the cofounder of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a rare survivor from the Internet Hippie Age, coexisting like a great herbivorous dinosaur with Facebook, Twitter, and the other carnivorous mammals of Web 2.0. Perhaps not coincidentally, Jimmy is the most prominent founder of a massive internet institution not to become a billionaire...

When AI Poses an Existential Risk to Your Law License 31.05.2023

This episode of the Cyberlaw Podcast features the second half of my interview with Paul Stephan, author of  The World Crisis and International Law . But it begins the way many recent episodes have begun, with the latest AI news. And, since it's so squarely in scope for a cyberlaw podcast, we devote some time to the so-appalling- you-have-to-laugh-to keep-from-crying story of the lawyer who relied...

Sam Altman-Fried Comes to Washington 23.05.2023

This episode features part 1 of our two-part interview with Paul Stephan, author of The World Crisis and International Law —a deeper and more entertaining read than the title suggests. Paul lays out the long historical arc that links the 1980s to the present day. It's not a pretty picture, and it gets worse as he ties those changes to the demands of the Knowledge Economy. How will these profound p...

EUthanizing AI 16.05.2023

Maury Shenk opens this episode with an exploration of three efforts to overcome notable gaps in the performance of large language AI models. OpenAI has developed a tool meant to address the models' lack of explainability. It uses, naturally, another large language model to identify what makes individual neurons fire the way they do. Maury is skeptical that this is a path forward, but it's nice to...

How worried should we be about "existential" AI risk? 09.05.2023

The "godfather of AI" has left Google, offering warnings about the existential risks for humanity of the technology .  Mark MacCarthy calls those risks a fantasy, and a debate breaks out between Mark, Nate Jones, and me. There's more agreement on the White House summit on AI risks, which seems to have followed Mark's "let's worry about tomorrow tomorrow" prescription. I think existential risks are...

Does the government need a warrant to warn me about a cyberattack? 02.05.2023

We open this episode of the Cyberlaw Podcast with some actual news about the debate over renewing section 702 of FISA. That's the law that allows the government to target foreigners for a national security purpose and to intercept their communications in and out of the U.S. A lot of attention has been focused on what happens to those communications after they've been intercepted and stored, and pa...

It's the Data (Not the Model), Stupid! 25.04.2023

The latest episode of The Cyberlaw Podcast was not created by chatbots (we swear!). Guest host Brian Fleming, along with guests Jay Healey , Maury Shenk , and Nick Weaver , discuss the latest news on the AI revolution including Google's efforts to protect its search engine dominance, a fascinating look at the websites that feed tools like ChatGPT (leading some on the panel to argue that quality ov...

The international regulatory dogpile 19.04.2023

Every government on the planet announced last week an ambition to regulate artificial intelligence. Nate Jones and Jamil Jaffer take us through the announcements. What's particularly discouraging is the lack of imagination, as governments dusted off their old prejudices to handle this new problem. Europe is obsessed with data protection , the Biden administration just wants to talk and wait and ta...

What Makes AI Safe? 11.04.2023

We do a long take on some of the AI safety reports that have been issued in recent weeks. Jeffery Atik first takes us through the basics of attention based AI , and then into reports from OpenAI and Stanford on AI safety. Exactly what AI safety covers remains opaque (and toxic, in my view, after the ideological purges committed by Silicon Valley's "trust and safety" bureaucracies) but there's no d...

Letting the Chips Fall 04.04.2023

Dmitri Alperovitch joins the Cyberlaw Podcast to discuss the state of semiconductor decoupling between China and the West. It's a broad movement, fed by both sides. China has announced that it's investigating Micron to see if its memory chips should still be allowed into China's supply chain (spoiler: almost certainly not). Japan has tightened up its chip-making export control rules , which will a...

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