Open Source Security

Josh welcomes back David Bernstein to talk about creating a disaster recover plan. It's a very timely topic given all the current events. There are more supply chain attacks and compromises than ever before. There are some great resources for this planning, but as David tells us, it's really not that hard to put some plans together. It's easy to over-plan, David gives some great tips on getting st...

Josh talks to Paul McCarty of Open Source Malware about ... open source malware. Paul explains why there aren't many good open source malware datasets. We discuss why the existing data is lacking for many use cases. We of course touch on AI and the malware in skills problems and challenges. It's a fun discussion with a lot of new and interesting problems we all have to deal with. The show notes an...

Josh welcomes back Andrew Nesbitt to discuss some recent blog posts he wrote about the challenges of new ecosystems as well as challenges of no ecosystems like C. There aren't very many people who look at multiple ecosystems in the way Andrew does. He has thoughts on why it's so hard to create a new ecosystem as well as some of the reasons we don't see a C language ecosystem. Andrew has a ton of i...

Josh talks to Michael Winser about a talk he gave at FOSDEM as well as his work on Alpha Omega at the Linux Foundation. Michael is approaching open source security in a way that nobody has ever tried before. What if we could fund some really big, really hard projects? It's not cheap or easy, but he's getting it done. We spend a lot of the time discussing package registries, which are a huge topic....

Josh chats with Brian Fox from Sonatype about their 2026 State of the Software Supply Chain report. Most of the number continue to grow at alarming rates, but there's some new interesting findings in this one. We discuss end of life and open source which is tough to define. We touch on what using AI with open source dependencies looks like (and why it's broken), and we discuss the challenge of upg...

Josh talks to Luke Hinds, CEO of Always Further, about MCP and agent security. We start out talking about Luke's new tool, nono which is a sandboxing tool that has AI agents in mind as a use case. We explain what MCP and agents are doing as well as why it's so hard to secure them. It's not impossible, but it's not simple either. We end the show by discussing some of the more human aspects to secur...

Josh talks to Paul Kehrer and Alex Gaynor, from the Python Cryptographic Authority. Alex and Paul recently published a statement discuss the challenges posed by modern OpenSSL. We discuss the statement and their relationship with OpenSSL. We chat about some of the current features in cryptography, as well as some of what's coming in the future. It's a fun conversation that hits on a lot of great p...

Josh talks to Sylvestre Ledru about the Rust coreutils project. We've been using GNU coreutils for decades now, and the goal of Rust coreutils is to rewrite these utilities in Rust. The primary reason isn't security, it's to modernize the code and attract new contributors. Sylvestre discusses with quite pleasant relationship with the GNU coreutils developers, some of the challenges in the project....

Josh chats with Brad Axen from Block about his creation Goose as well as the Agentic AI Foundation (AAIF). I am quite skeptical of many AI claims, but Brad has a very pragmatic view about where things are today and where we might see them head. Donating Goose to the AAIF is great news as well as seeing MCP and AGENTS.MD in the foundation. We discuss how to deal with the problem of raising up junio...

Josh chats with Olle E. Johansson about the Global Vulnerability Intelligence Platform (GVIP). It's no secret the current vulnerability systems are reaching a breaking point. Olle is one of the few people with a long term vision instead of trying to just fix the short term problems. His GVIP ideas are very good, but it's a community effort and needs our help. Give it a listen and if it sounds inte...

Josh talk to the founder and CEO of Nextcloud, Frank Karlitschek about digital sovereignty. There's a lot of attention lately around digital sovereignty and often that conversation also includes Nextcloud. Frank tells us all about how Nextcloud works, how it can be used to free your data, and has some great insight into what decentralization already looks like and what it could look like soon. The...

Josh talks to David Bernstein about the world of crisis management and business continuity. David is a certified emergency manager and tell us about preparing for both digital and physical disruptions. Everything is IT now, so the way we think about disaster preparedness is changing. We talk about understanding risks, creating plans, and the role of practice in the world of crisis management. This...

William Brown is back! This time Josh chats with him about Passkeys. WTF are they? A Passkey is a form of multi factor authentication, but it's not super obvious what that really means. William does a fantastic job explaining what a Passkey is, how we got to where we are today with Passkeys. He shares a ton of explanations about the whole world of authentication along the way. Some of this stuff i...

Josh discusses Suricata with Victor Julien, the founder and lead developer of the project. Victor explains the history of the project, its impact on cybersecurity, and the community that keeps it all running. Challenges like encrypted traffic and the evolution of open-source projects. Victor even gives us a glimpse into what he sees as the future of the project. There's a lot to learn about Surica...

Josh talks to Gergely Nagy (algernon) about his tool Iocaine. Iocaine creates a maze to trap scraping bots in a world a fake pages they cannot escape. algernon tells us how Iocaine effectively traps bots by serving them endless loops of nonsensical URLs and web pages. It's an extremely clever tool that's designed to be completely hidden from normal users, but not hidden to the scrapers. The show n...

Josh chats with Xe Iaso, the creator of Anubis the web AI firewall. We discuss how Anubis is tackling bots and scrapers. The discussion around the scrapers is fascinating and challenging, these things are everywhere and don't behave very nicely. There's also discussion about running a successful open source project. Xe has a lot of experience to share with us, you're going to learn something new w...

Josh talk to Dirkjan and Joe about Rustls (pronounced rustles), a Rust-based TLS library. Dirkjan and Joe are developers on Rustls. We talk about the history that got us to this point. The many many challenges in writing a TLS library (Rust or not). We also chat about some of what's to come. Rustls has an OpenSSL compatibility layer which makes is a really interesting project. The show notes and b...

Josh welcomes back Daniel Thompson explore the rather silly question of whether Santa Claus needs to be compliant with the Cyber Resilience Act (CRA). This episode was intended to be silly, but it ended up being an incredibly interesting conversation. Daniel explained a great deal about how the CRA works and how it could apply to Santa Claus. The TL;DR is even if he's giving out free stuff, the CR...

Josh has a chat with Gabriele Columbro, Executive Director of the Fintech Open Source Foundation and General Manager of Linux Foundation Europe. We of course discuss the Cyber Resilience Act (CRA), the evolving landscape of open source regulation, and the collaborative efforts of major foundations. Open source is everywhere, but there's also a ton of work to do now. Gabriele has really good insigh...

Josh discusses updating open source dependencies with Jamie Tanna. Jamie works on Renovate which gives them a lot of insight into the challenges of keeping your open source updated. We discuss the challenges of semantic versioning, supply chain security, and AI-generated code. If you're new or old to the world of open source dependencies, there's something to learn from this chat. The show notes a...

Josh discusses the TARmageddon vulnerability with Alex Zenla, CTO of Edera. In this episode, we explore the discovery of the TARmageddon vulnerability. It's especially interesting because it's Rust, but also involves multiple end of life crates. Alex shares the story of how Edera managed to figure all this out (it was not simple). Hard problems are still hard, but there's a lot of lessons in this...

In this episode Seth Larson gives us a cornucopia of topics relating to Python security. Seth discusses the Python Software Foundation's decision to reject a significant grant NSF. Diversity is a big deal to python, so this was a no brainier. We discuss the upcoming PyCon US conference, featuring a new security track that fosters collaboration between developers and security experts. Josh is a hug...

Josh talks to Richard Hughes about the world of firmware. We cover how Richard's journey from developing the ColorHug led to the creation of the Linux Vendor Firmware Service (LVFS), changing how firmware updates are managed for nearly every Linux user. Updating firmware has always been dicey, and on Linux it used to be impossible. Richard helps us understand how this all works and how we can all...

Josh chats with Charlie Eriksen, a security researcher at Aikido Security. We discuss the recent NPM supply chain attacks that affect hundreds of packages. Charlie shares his experiences dealing with recent security breaches, the challenges of maintaining trust in open source software, and the importance of proactive measures to safeguard open source. The rapid pace of change is impacting our secu...

In this episode, Josh and Otto dive into the world of Debian packaging, exploring the challenges of supply chain security and the importance of transparency in open source projects. They discuss Otto's blog post about the XZ backdoor and how it's a nearly impossible attack to detect. Otto does a great job breaking down an incredibly complex problem into understandable pieces. The show notes and bl...