Will Baude & Dan Epps
Divided Argument
An unscheduled, unpredictable Supreme Court podcast. Hosted by Will Baude and Dan Epps. In partnership with SCOTUSblog.
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Byzantine Wall 11.09.2025 1:16:51
We extend our record-breaking run with a discussion of the Court's two big recent emergency docket rulings: Noem v. Vasquez Perdomo and NIH v. American Public Health Association .
Bedrock Con Law 101 29.08.2025 1:07:00
We're joined by Michigan law professor Richard Primus to talk about his new book, "The Oldest Constitutional Question: Enumerated and Federal Power." Richard describes one of the the most widespread beliefs about constitutional law -- that the federal government is one of limited, enumerated powers -- and why he thinks it is actually wrong. Along the way, we discuss methods of constitutional inter...
Originalism Hulk 09.08.2025 1:26:44
Continuing our long slog through the end-of-Term opinion dump, it's fraud day! We dig into Kousisis v. United States and Thompson v. United States , two interesting federal criminal law puzzles.
The Country of the Future 28.07.2025 1:30:32
We finally circle back to the two big structural constitutional law cases from the last day of the term. First is Kennedy v. Braidwood Management, which upheld the appointment structure of the U.S. Preventative Services Task Force under the Affordable Care Act. Then is FCC v. Consumers' Research , which upheld the universal-service contribution scheme against a pair of non-delegation challenges. O...
The Thunder Docket 25.07.2025 30:50
Acting with unpredictable alacrity and unpredictable brevity, we break down the Supreme Court's recent interim order in Trump v. Boyle , and discuss what it means for the unitary executive, and for the shadow docket. We also debate the best name for the Court's emergency/interim orders docket.
Snake-Charmer-Specific 19.07.2025 1:03:55
Moving with shockingly unpredictable efficiency, we respond to feedback, debate which of us is more composting-friendly, catch up on the emergency docket, and chip away at our end-of-Term backlog by digging into Diamond Alternative Energy v. EPA .
Didactic and Inculcatory 08.07.2025 1:29:16
We look at the final orders list before summer break, and then continue to work through last month's opinions, this time with an extended analysis of two decisions about children and culture wars -- Mahmoud v. Taylor (religious objections to LGBTQ+-inclusive books) and Free Speech Coalition v. Paxton (age verification for accessing online pornography).
Schrödinger's Innocence Right 02.07.2025 1:16:41
We talk a bit more about Trump v. CASA, revisit the usage of "general," answer some voicemails, and then turn to Gutierrez v. Saenz , a procedural tangle about whether a death row inmate can sue a state prosecutor over access to DNA testing.
Why Are We Here? 27.06.2025 1:12:23
We celebrate the 100th episode of the podcast with a special cross-over episode with Sarah Isgur at Advisory Opinions! Sarah, Will, and Dan break down today's blockbuster decision in Trump v. CASA , forbidding universal injunctions (and not saying much about birthright citizenship).
Loose Signification 26.06.2025 1:02:05
We're joined by a special guest, Harvard Law Professor Stephen Sachs, to talk about Fuld v. Palestine Liberation Organization . Fuld is last week's big personal jurisdiction case, where the Court upheld federal laws extending jurisdiction to the PLO and PA for antiterrorism lawsuits. The author of several important articles on these issues and an amicus brief in Fuld, Steve gives us his take on th...
Caesar's Face 25.06.2025 1:04:02
After some feedback and further thoughts on our Skrmetti episode and a shocking revelation about "LabCorp," we circle back to an earlier June opinion about religious distinctions, Catholic Charities Bureau v. Wisconsin Labor & Industry Review Commission . Dan keeps Will up past his bedtime.
Low Horse 21.06.2025 1:13:26
Without much introductory ado, we interrupt Will's vacation to give you a thorough breakdown of United States v. Skrmetti , the trans health care case that is one of the most-watched cases of the term.
Truth and Reconciliation 07.06.2025 57:26
We start out by debating who's responsible for Dan's audio snafus last time before digging into a various odds and ends, such as the Chief Justice's toast at the Supreme Court Historical Society dinner and President Trump's renunciation of Leonard Leo and the Federalist Society. We then try to make sense of the DIG in Labcorp v. Davis and see whether our predictions about Smith & Wesson Brands...
Delete This. Call Me. 02.06.2025 1:19:04
With apologies for Dan's horrendous audio quality: we catch up on the latest emergency-docket happenings and debate whether Trump v. Wilcox is a big deal or small potatoes. We also catch up on listener feedback and, for the first time in a long time, play a couple of messages received on our voicemail line (314-649-3790 for anyone else who wants to chime in).
Gorsuch Genie 22.05.2025 1:06:54
We're joined by NYU law professor Rachel Barkow to talk about her new book J ustice Abandoned: How the Supreme Court Ignored the Constitution and Enabled Mass Incarceration . Listen to learn about five (or six) Supreme Court cases that arguably ignored the original meaning of the Constitution to enable our current policing and punishment practices. Along the way, a hypothetical genie offers Profes...
Friends with Oprah Winfrey 20.05.2025 49:01
We're back with another unexpectedly short and timely episode, focusing on last Friday's emergency docket decision in AARP v. Trump . We also spend a few minutes on a few other orders: the administration's partial victory in Noem v. National TPS Alliance and a puzzling mass recusal.
A Trees Guy in a Forest Court 16.05.2025 1:00:54
We reflect on the death of Justice Souter and sort out some loose ends from the last episode. We then dig into the Court's only opinion from Thursday, Barnes v. Felix , which we previewed with friend of the show Orin Kerr back in February at Stanford. Along the way we make a short detour into generative AI and its potential for SCOTUS research. Most importantly, we react to the oral argument in Tr...
Moot, Wrong, and Irrelevant 25.04.2025 1:09:33
The shadow docket strikes once again! We break down the Court's unusual immigration ruling in AARP v. Trump (no, not that AARP!), and then briefly discuss the much-heralded ERISA case ( Cunningham v. Cornell ). But first we discuss some blog news, some SCOTUS news, and some SCOTUSblog news.
Vaxxed and Relaxed 16.04.2025 56:14
We have another short administrative law episode, analyzing the Supreme Court's decision about e-cigarettes in FDA v. Wages and White Lion . But first we field some listener pushback about facial challenges in administrative law, and discuss the shadow docket ruling, and ensuing fallout, in Noem v. Abrego Garcia.
In Whack ASAP 11.04.2025 59:01
Thanks to the Harvard Law Review , we recorded a live episode in the famed Austin Hall at Harvard Law School. While we hoped to discuss merits cases, the Court gave us far too much shadow docket activity to break down.
Sufficiently IKEA-like 02.04.2025 48:17
We are back with an unexpectedly concise episode focused on last week's "ghost guns" decision, Bondi v. Vanderstok . But first we talk about the calls to reconsider the Court's Confrontation Clause doctrine and also return to the number of votes needed to call for the views of the Solicitor General (CVSG).
Stunned But Respectful 14.03.2025 1:06:00
We announce the new Divided Argument blog! After discussing the blog and some listener feedback, we break down two recent 5-4 decisions -- the shadow docket fight over USAID funding in Department of State v. Aids Vaccine Advocacy Coalition and the Section 1983 exhaustion decision in Williams v. Reed (or should we say Rev. Stat. 1979?).
Natural Side Effect 27.02.2025 1:20:10
Back in the studio after a couple of fun live shows, we discover that the Court has finally given us too much to talk about. We discuss the new Trump Administration's first shadow docket adventure, a number of interesting solo opinions from the orders list, the decline in summary reversals, and the overall quality of oral advocacy before the Court. We then take a deep dive into the Court's opinion...
Hypothetical Unicorn 14.02.2025 1:04:21
Divided Argument is live from the Northwestern Pritzker School of Law, hosted by the Northwestern Federalist Society! We discuss whether we are in the middle of a constitutional crisis, the coming demise of Humphrey's Executor , and various shadow docket developments. Then we preview the issues at stake in next month's oral argument about firearms liability, Smith & Wesson v. Estados Unidos Me...
Double Negatives 30.01.2025 1:07:17
Divided Argument is live from Stanford Law School, hosted by the Stanford Constitutional Law Center! We review an unusual summary reversal in a capital habeas case and the latest universal injunction developments, and discuss some of the implications of the change in administration. After that, we are joined by a very special guest to discuss the recent arguments in the excessive force case of Bar...
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