charm + chaos

Welcome to Charm + Chaos, where overthinking meets good taste. This isn't a gossip podcast and it's definitely not a news show. Think of it more like catching up with a friend over cocktails. Every week, I'll be sharing life updates, the stories behind the chaos, what's been on my mind lately, and all the TV shows, pop culture moments, and random obsessions I can't stop talking...

In this episode, we discuss how your sushi order evolves the same way your coffee order does , and why ordering a Frappuccino should not legally qualify as drinking coffee . We also talk about our new favorite juice place , our ongoing attempts to eat healthier , and Natalia’s uncontrollable urge to donate literally everything — including things that make absolutely no sense, like a pen cap withou...

In this episode, we start off by addressing the fact that Chris stole our light , which somehow spirals into Victoria being sick and the ongoing debate of allergies vs. no allergies . We also discuss Ava being allergic to Layton’s cat and dive into the cleanliness debate of cats vs. dogs . From there, we revisit our collective tanning salon horror stories , reminisce on the golden era of MySpace (...

In this episode, we kick things off with a full Natalia vent session , which naturally leads into Victoria still not recovering from Natalia insulting her hair . Some things just stick with you. We also celebrate our maintenance team’s birthday month with discussions about the superior type of leche cake , gossip with our maintenance staff like it’s our second job, and talk about Ava signing up fo...

In this episode, we’re breaking down and rating the Met Gala 2026 looks — from the outfits we absolutely loved to the ones that left us confused, concerned, or personally offended. We give our completely unqualified opinions on the best dressed, the most questionable fashion choices, and the looks we’ll probably still be thinking about next week. As expected, the judging is harsh, the opinions are...

In this episode, we’re joined by two very special guests —  Mama G and Kyle  — for a chaotic, funny, and surprisingly deep conversation. We get into the highly anticipated  Devil Wears Prada 2 , break down our own  fashion journeys and style eras , and hear opinions from every angle (some more helpful than others). Of course, it wouldn’t be us without a little structure — so we end the episode by...

We have a very special guest this episode — Mama G joins the pod, and she does not disappoint. We get into everything from astrology and how it actually explains more than we’d like to admit, to birth order and how it shapes who you become. Mama G also takes us through her many New York trips, with stories and insights that only she can deliver. And just when you think it couldn’t get better, she...

In this episode, we get into all the important debates — starting with athleisure and whether it’s acceptable as a full-time lifestyle (our answer: yes). Ava shares the story of her first tampon , which naturally leads into a breakdown of calories: girl math edition , where the numbers may or may not actually matter. We also unpack the fact that Ava still somehow doesn’t fully know where she’s wor...

In this episode, we cover everything from a chaotic wisdom teeth story to our ongoing sleep struggles — including the absolute horror of sleep paralysis . We also attempt to talk about getting organized (key word: attempt), recap the Sephora sale , and call out the very real phenomenon of adults not cooking after grocery shopping . And finally, we address one of life’s biggest annoyances: falling...

In this episode, we break down the Alix vs Alex drama , along with the influencers we’re currently loving (because it’s not all drama… kind of). We also get into Ava’s new job at a Pilates studio that somehow also includes cycle bikes and rowing machines , which we’re still trying to fully understand. It’s giving Pilates, but also cardio, but also confusion. It’s a mix of internet drama, fitness u...

In this episode, we celebrate Victoria winning her award (as expected), while also unpacking some of the chaos surrounding it — including Natalia somehow eating all the chocolate balls at the event . We also discuss how men’s clothes are just objectively comfier , highlighted by Layton fully wearing Ava’s Skims robe that we originally thought was a blanket. Naturally, we have thoughts. Victoria al...

In this episode, we somehow discover that we’ve been going to the same hairdresser this whole time and had no idea, which leads us down a spiral of hair talk — including our shared hatred of loose strands once they’re no longer attached to our heads . We also establish that Victoria is elite for doing full-day kindergarten (even though so did Ava) , and that both of us have been nerds since birth...

In this episode, we cover a little bit of everything — starting with Layton getting a motorcycle and the ongoing debate of motorcycles vs. bicycles (because obviously we had opinions). We also discuss how coffee we didn’t make somehow hits different and is the only thing capable of getting us out of bed, and why men being in places they shouldn’t be immediately puts us on edge. Which leads perfect...

In this episode, we celebrate Victoria being nominated for an award at work — and let’s just say… she already knows she won. We also revisit our tanning bed trauma (while still fully standing by it), Ava admits to using pre-workout as a high school pregame (which was basically yesterday), and we take a trip through our various gym girl phases . We also talk about how girls giving other girls compl...

In this episode, we cover a range of very important topics — starting with the iconic salt and pepper shakers from Cracker Barrel and why they deserved their moment. We also question a very suspicious “homemade” pie that we’re not entirely convinced was actually homemade, and talk about how the Solidcore AC fan feels less like a workout and more like going through a full-on wind tunnel. And finall...

In this episode, we talk about our emotional support items — specifically squishys — and how they somehow manage to calm our nerves in ways we can’t fully explain. We also get into a classic “ this one time at band camp ” story that absolutely needed to be shared, and discuss the importance of knowing each other’s coffee orders — because if you don’t know it, are you even that close? It’s random,...

In this episode, we discuss our latest obsession: 3 door fridges — and just how far we’d realistically go to get one. We also take a moment to reminisce on the struggle of the ice tray era , and how far we’ve come since then. We recap the grand opening of a nail salon we were way too excited about… only for it to be a complete flop, and of course, we had thoughts. And in true form, we wrap things...

Part 2 with Natalia is somehow even more unhinged than Part 1. Natalia takes us on a journey reminiscing about eating caviar in a Russian labor camp (yes, really), while we also introduce the office’s new meatballs — Ava and our new maintenance tech — officially replacing Natalia and Jorge. We then attempt to explain the entire premise of Schitt’s Creek to Natalia, which quickly turns into us real...

We have our first guest on the podcast — our infamous coworker Natalia — and things spiral immediately. We kick off the night with caviar , which Ava absolutely hates… so naturally she ends up eating a full plate of bread and butter instead. Priorities. We also take a moment to bully Natalia’s shoes , which we initially said were giving founding father … even after she bedazzled them. She loves th...

In this episode, we recap the prank we pulled on Jorge and Natalia at the office , which may or may not have gone exactly as planned. We also dive into the unexpected adventures of Flat Stanley and how he somehow became part of the chaos. Meanwhile, Ava continues to ignore all of the TV show recommendations Victoria has given her , which is becoming a serious issue that may require intervention. I...

In this episode, Victoria’s dad officially calls us out for talking like valley girls , which we obviously had to unpack immediately. We also celebrate a big milestone — Ava moving into her first apartment — and everything that comes with finally having your own place. Ava continues her mission of making fun of Victoria for being a millennial , while conveniently ignoring the fact that she somehow...

In this episode, we dive into the millennial vs. Gen Z entertainment divide — from the glory days of Blockbuster to the Gen Z experience of Redbox . Victoria also takes a trip down memory lane remembering the nostalgia of watching VH1 music videos in the morning , which Ava apparently missed entirely. We also uncover the shocking truth that Ava has somehow never seen any good TV shows , leading Vi...

This week on Girls in Property Management , Victoria starts off with a story when she realized she forgot to tell her own father that she changed her phone number. So if you’ve ever ghosted a parent unintentionally — this one’s for you. We also unpack the groundbreaking athletic discovery that we can, in fact, walk faster than we run , debate the cultural significance of the Gen Z floaty challenge...

We’re back again with more stories featuring Natalia and Jorge — because, let’s be honest, they continue to give us the content we didn’t know we needed. From the latest moments that had us laughing to the situations that somehow only happen to them, the material truly writes itself. And yes, we do talk about other things too… but somehow it always comes back to Natalia and Jorge. It’s chaotic, it...

In this episode, we tackle the truly important topics — like how finding a good churro is a full-on mission , and why the payoff is never guaranteed. We also question how curling is somehow an Olympic sport when women everywhere are lunging and sweeping daily with zero gold medals to show for it. Plus, Natalia tries her first Monster (a moment we won’t soon forget), and we get into a real-life con...