Audio Branding

“ To your point, like it can make or break campaigns, can make or break TV and film. I mean, you know, there’s mumblegate that’s happening, like with all the streamers where I can’t understand half the things that are being spoken... And in the interview, he was like, ‘Well, it’s just not important to me.’ I’m like, what?” – David Gielan This week’s guest is a six-time founder and creative strateg...

“ Live is always going to be great. Human connection is the only thing that will differentiate AI from people and from artists. And that is, I think, going to be the key lever that artists have left. So in the same way as you might go and buy a handmade coffee cup for $20 from an artisan stall when you can buy one for a dollar in Walmart, music will still hold great value.” – David Courtier-Dutton...

“ When you hand it to the composer in sonic branding, at that point, it becomes an art, because the job of the composer, of course, is to translate those desired emotions into music. And it’s not [the] music that the composer feels, it is what it makes the audience feel when they hear it, and that is almost pure art. We have done some science around it, and we know what might help in terms of inst...

One topic that comes up quite often on Audio Branding is audio technology, and how far it’s come over just the last few years. Whether it’s choosing the right sound equipment, deciding if you should record with noise cancellation turned on (and just for the record, you shouldn’t), or taking advantage of advanced recording options like 3-D audio and Dolby Atmos, there’s a lot to consider when it co...

“ I give them a lot of credit because they use that so frequently, and that’s why they have so much success. I mean, it is an iconic melody in and of itself, but it’s that repetition and that usage, you know, whereas I feel like a lot of sound logo projects that come in, we’ll get to the finish line and they’ll be excited to use it, and then a month or two later, they’ll be like, ‘We’re not seeing...

“ Too much sound complicates things, it confuses things, and it causes annoyance and fatigue, too much brain power needed. Too much cognitive load, and it’s a known fact. So oftentimes companies will come to me and say, ‘Hey, we have, you know, sixty sounds we want to create.’ And I go, ‘Okay, cool. Let’s take a look at the list. Let me understand your product a little better and let’s try to find...

“ I think, you know, what I mentioned before would really apply, and that’s sit down and really come up with a plan over the next twelve months. What do I want to do? Do I want to release a single every month or maybe it’s a couple of singles leading up to an EP and then actually execute that. And, you know, at the same time, be consistent. You don’t want to be an artist that puts out a few tracks...

“ What can we do to make that number a thousand? That’s the kind of stuff we really focus on. We have tools and analytics within our dashboard to kind of help guide you with that and provide insight onto what strategies are needed to get to that place. But also, I think what makes a lot of sense is to have the right team around you for independent artists. You’ve got to have a really good manager,...

“ In this age of AI and, you knew I was going to go here at some point, so how can an artist differentiate themselves now that AI can basically create music with the push of a button? Like, it’s hard. It was hard before, and now we have this to worry about. I think you touched on it maybe indirectly earlier in the connection, the spirit of creating and being a human. I think it is the dopest super...

“ I mean, you know how it was with Michael. And when I heard that phrase, it was just... He saved my life. Like, what? He just sung a song, right? Like, but, you know, take probably one of my favorites, ‘Man in the Mirror.’ Man, it still gets me. So, just from an experience standpoint, and I’ve done some travels in mental health and, you know, talking to people, I do understand how important music...

“ I’m blown away by it. So, when I close my eyes and I listen to these things, and I hear those textures and I understand the footsteps coming from afar and getting closer and, you know, like, this stuff matters. Like, it paints the picture [so] that I don’t even have to have my eyes open. I can see the whole movie happen with sound.” – Michael Dargie This episode is the second half of my conversa...

“ I don’t know if you can see it, [but] that’s an octopus. Yeah, on my upper arm. If you’re not watching this, the audio version is, there’s sunlight coming through and it’s dappling across this octopus. I’m a scuba diver. I really did believe, when I was young, that I was going to be a marine mammal biologist. That was my destiny. I watched Jacques Cousteau and I was all about it, and then life h...

“ I think there’s nothing that truly resonates across all of your senses like sound does. If I’m watching something gorgeous, it’s a feast for my eyes, and it starts and ends there. But if I’m listening to something, it’s the one thing that can truly always be in your brain presence — always bringing things up or bringing things down. I mean, if you’re in a bad mood, one of the five ways to get ou...

“ I love the use of AI voices or synthetic voices for people who might, you know, they’re embarrassed. I’ve worked with engineers my whole career, and sometimes, like, it’s not that they don’t want to tell their story or break something out there, but maybe they just don’t have the self-confidence or they were made fun of as a kid. I mean, I’ve always thought I had a super nasally voice and never...

“ That’s a big thing that I always like to try to put together in the shows — creating the sense of space, where we are taking that audience somewhere. And sonically, what does that sound like? I like having a lot of detail on, okay, this space, i.e. this portion of the episode. It’s like, if I go back to the American Kennel Club example, okay, this is Missouri in the 1850s in the summer. Okay, co...

“ But from that point, it was just a matter of, okay, I’ve got to put all this kind of stuff together now. And now that there isn’t a moving image that I’m necessarily locked into, I wield more power in regards to molding the action, so I could decide how a scene breaks down. And I think the example that I had given to you was, if we have a scene where two characters are in a room or one character...

“ Step sounds in a game is a sample being repeated, and then people start to make little variations in pitch of this sample. And then they became increasingly sophisticated with middleware, and so a whole set of software emerged, a type of software game, audio middleware, that serves only the purpose of making sound, usually sample-based sounds, pleasurable to use in an interactive context. And th...

“ And I read this book, it was about acoustic communication. It was about how sound in everyday life mediates our relationship to the environment, and how we use it to communicate with each other, and so on, and that opens really a totally new field for me. So this was kind of the ignition, probably, for me to enter the non-musical sound world, which I’m still in. So there’s the world of noises, o...

“ I said, ‘this is a tsunami that is coming, and I'm either going to be crushed by it and drowned under it and it's going to destroy everything I've built, or I'm going to learn to surf the big waves, and I'm going to do whatever I have to do to surf this wave,’ which is what I did sort of at the dawn of online video. I was sort of one of the first probably one hundred agencies in the country that...

“ I will say, as someone who has auditioned hundreds and hundreds, if not over a thousand, voiceover artists and listened to very talented people doing the same take over and over again, the recording quality, the sound quality, absolutely matters. And it's an immediate… There are so many people for me where it's an immediate ‘no,’ because the moment I hear the sound quality and it's not totally u...

“ I think sound is important because I believe it's the first sense that we develop even before we're born. And it's a way of knowing things, knowing the world. Even if you have your eyes shut, you can feel the place. You can feel if it's a big space, if it's an open space, a closed space. So I think it's our most basic feeling instinct that we have, and I remember, before my daughter was born, I...

“ And if you have fun with it, that's going to come across and, I think that's the missing piece. That's where I would start. If I was going to really trust an agency or musicians to create something for me, it was, like, how do we have a conversation or multiple conversations to get us to the most fun way of executing this? Because if you're having fun, you're going to come up with something uniq...

“ You know it's the way that news passed between villages before there were any written word, you know, for anything to get around. I think we all know that it's incredibly integral to, initially, to survival, let alone to emotion. You know, if you could wrap important news in memorable melodies, then people were going to be less likely to die back in the day. So, I think there's a part of that wi...

“ I have a friend who’s a library film composer and produces podcasts, and I was talking to him, I was giving him the kind of same thesis I talked about today. And he’s like, ‘yeah, I get it. But like, I’m the one who’s going to lose the job.’ Cause what he, this very specific, specified job he has [is] of composing kind of anonymous music for podcasts. And he’s successful, he wrote the theme of S...

“ And we got a new Beatles song. I can’t believe we’re talking about the Beatles…. But John Lennon recorded a really corrupted vocal before he tragically died, and it was just kind of there because of some stem separation tech that is only possible because of machine learning. They were able to clean up the vocals, fully on board with the John Lennon estate and the remaining Beatles members, and t...